Vakcinacija ili ne?

[BarcaS take 2]

Razne si ti utiske stekao, vecinom pogresne koliko sam imao prilike da vidim. Nema potrebe da skaces na prvu loptu.

 

Moguce.

[Kal1mero]

Za vakcine se ne tvrdi to vec da su smanjile stepen oboljavanja od tih bolesti. Takodje nemoj porediti Ameriku koja ima higijenske uslove i zdravstvo (tada) na 100ti stepen u odnosu na Afriku. Sta mislis da li je tamo ili u Indiji npr. smrtnost pala za 90% imajuci u vidu kvalitet ishrane, higijenske uslove i kvalitet zdravstvene zastite?

Ekvivalentno tome mozes da negiras globalno zagrevanje jer u Bgu pada sneg, a glad ne postoji jer su ti rucao. :)

EDIT:

 

Sa UNICEF-ovog sajta.

 

Measles vaccination intervention has been the most successful public health programme in the last decade, with Africa leading the way in the achievement of 89% mortality reduction between 2000 and 2010. 

 

Мислим да грешиш. Степен обољевања је небитан. Што потврђује и Дуле доктор и остали доктори који говоре да су вакцине спасиле милионе живота. Колико само људи оболи од обичног грипа сваке године у Србији Немачкој Француској итд али се не умире од њега . Степен смртности је изузетно низак . 

Са другим делом се апсолутно слажем са тобом само што изводимо различит закључак. Побољшање исхране , хигијене , чиста вода и општи услови живљења су ти који су смањили смртност од разних болести . 

[BarcaS take 2]

Ummmm... Kako to mislis stepen oboljevanja je nizak? Da li si video sta sve moze *i to vrlo cesto* da se desi nekome ko zapati boginje na primer? :)

 

Da li znas koliko su npr boginje opasne kad ih zapatis kao odrasli, i to one najobicnije, ovcije?

[brue]

 

Vaccine McCarthyism. What if the Vaccine Paradigm itself is Deliberately Flawed? Did 2014 Mark the Collapse of the Vaccine Establishment?

 

Within the mainstream medical and scientific community there is an unassailable pseudo-truth that vaccines are safe and effective, whether administered individually or in combination. Within the vaccine injured children and autism movements there is also an unchallenged belief that vaccines are effective but not always safe. In this case, vaccine-injured children or adult family members were simply one of the rare cases where they received a hot lot vaccine or possessed biomolecular abnormalities, such as mitochondria dysfunction, and suffered the consequences.

Even many parents with two children developing neurological complications after vaccination, will continue to follow the recommended vaccine schedule. Any medical physician, scientist, nurse, public health advocate, politician, or journalist who questions the myth of vaccine safety and efficacy are often immediately attacked, ridiculed, and designated a conspirator. In fact, the pro-vaccine propaganda machine sends forth articulate doctors and university scientists to engage in ad hominin personal attacks against vaccine dissenters.

However, what if all of these individuals and their organizations, their shadow lobbying foundations and think tanks, are wrong?

What if the vaccine paradigm itself is flawed?

What if vaccines have never been soundly confirmed to be safe and effective? What if the CDC, vaccine manufacturers, and the leading vaccine advocates knew of these discrepancies and contradictions, yet intentionally ignored them against the public interests and the well being of the American population? After several decades of studying the scientific literature regarding vaccines, following the money trails, and interviewing many dozens of toxicologists, immunologists, research physicians, pediatricians, and medical journalists the vaccine paradigm can now be accurately deconstructed with real independent science. The year, 2014, has been a particularly dismal year for the pro-vaccine movement. We are presenting the science that has unfolded during the past twelve months as indicative of a collapse in the modern vaccine paradigm.

Last year, 2014, may well be the watershed year marking the demise of the vaccine era. Without any recent credible and sound biological science to support their claims for vaccines’ efficacy and safety, the vaccine complex and its federal allies have been forced to rely upon courts of law and the ignorance of an inept mainstream media to further promulgate their flawed mythologies to advance the vaccine agenda.

Rarely does a whistleblower emerge from the federal health agencies. Government and corporate entities that are notoriously hierarchical, such as the CDC, FDA, and Health and Human Services, ruthlessly prevent dissention from their ranks. In the Obama era, when whistleblowers are persecuted more than ever before, it is an act of great courage for a person to come forth and reveal government malfeasance, corruption, and criminal behavior. Therefore, it was a shocking surprise last year when a senior epidemiologist at the CDC, Dr. William Thompson, acted upon his moral conscience and released thousands of pages of CDC documents with research data that unveil the agencies long history of fraudulent studies and medical cover-ups that hid the serious failures and health risks of vaccines.

Dr. Thompson is a distinguished scientist who has worked at the CDC since 1998. Prof. Brian Hooker, a specialist in molecular and cellular systems, and the first person to be contacted by Dr. Thompson, stated the documents are not simply a smoking gun. Rather it is a “wildfire.” Dr. Thompson is currently cooperating with members of a Congressional subcommittee. Thousands of American parents with vaccine damaged children, suffering from permanent neurological impairment and autism, await a trial that will finally bring to justice many of the nation’s top health officials.

Dr. Thompson, who co-authored and published research on vaccine thimerosal mercury—still included in some vaccines, especially the influenza vaccine—has admitted he was part of the CDC’s conspiracy to obscure scientific evidence proving thimerosal and the MMR vaccine as causal factors for autism. During an interview on the Autism Media Channel, he stated that he would never give his pregnant wife a flu shot because of its high concentration of mercury. “I don’t know why they still give it to pregnant women,” Dr. Thompson stated. “That’s the last person I would give mercury to.” After reviewing some of the CDC data received by Dr. Thompson, as well as data records acquired through freedom of information submissions, Prof. Hooker discovered that the CDC has known since 2001 that children exposed to thimerosal in utero were 800 percent more likely to regress into autism. This data was intentionally excluded from the CDC paper published in the journal Pediatrics in an effort to disprove a thimerosal-autism association. During a recent radio broadcast, Prof. Hooker unearthed evidence that the CDC has known for a decade that children receiving the MMR vaccines on schedule were nearly 300 percent more likely to regress into autism compared to children whose parents decided to withhold the vaccine until after the child was older.

Americans are rapidly losing confidence in the CDC. Already over two-thirds of Americans believe vaccines cause autism, which the CDC categorically denies. Almost two months after the media reported on the Thompson revelations, a CBS News poll showed public approval of the CDC nosedived to 37%, down from 60% the previous year. Vaccine apologists and the major media claim this large decrease is due to the CDC’s dismal handling of the Ebola crisis; however, Thompson’s whistleblowing received over 750 million Twitter impressions indicating that vaccine efficacy and safety is far more on the public’s mind. Positive endorsement of the CDC would plummet further if the public knew the full extent of CDC officials lying to Congress and their conspiracy to commit medical fraud for over a dozen years. Imagine the tens of thousands of children and families who would have been saved from life-long neurological damage and immeasurable suffering if the CDC was not indebted to protecting the toxic products of the pharmaceutical industry and was serving the health and well-being of American children?

The Thompson whistleblowing case is the tip of the iceberg and now putting the vaccine establishment into a panic. Nevertheless, 2014 was a dreadful year for the vaccine establishment and other medical revelations provide further encouragement for parents to withhold or refuse vaccination.

The Council on Foreign Relations Mistakenly Proves the Largest Outbreaks of Infectious Diseases Are Within the Most Highly Vaccinated Populations.

An early 2014 report released by the Council on Foreign Relations to identify countries with the highest rates of disease outbreaks, accidently revealed that the most highly vaccinated populations are also those with the greatest number of outbreaks for those same infectious diseases. This was especially the case for measles, mumps, rubella, polio and pertussis outbreaks. The US, Canada, the European Union, Australia and New Zealand, and Japan—each with the highest number of mandated vaccines—led the list of nations. The Office of Medical and Scientific Justice, which analyzed the report, concluded that the Council’s report clearly suggests the theory of “herd immunity” is failing or was flawed to begin with. Given the repeated incidences of infectious outbreaks in populations with 94% or more vaccine compliance, and the emergence of new viral strains, the concept of herd immunity should be forgotten. The Office offers several possibilities to explain the report: 1) vaccines are increasingly becoming ineffective and causing “immune dysfunction,” and 2) “vaccine antigen responses” may be reprogramming viruses while weakening the immune systems of the most vaccinated individuals.

 

Another World Health Organization Influenza Debacle

Predicting the particular influenza strains to protect populations has never been a fine art. We might remember the doom and gloom scenarios spread by the WHO and CDC over the H1N1 swine flu in 2009. The federal agencies of warning for a viral apocalypse, which never occurred, had as much credibility as Y2K and New Age Mayan predictions at the turn of the millennium. At their best, flu vaccines remain around 60% efficacy according to official health statistics. However, the World Health Organization’s predictions for this year’s flu strains were a bust. The match was such a failure that the CDC was forced to warn the American public that the 2014-2015 flu vaccine was only 23% effective, off by 77%. Given that the 2012-2013 flu season was only 27% effective for the 65 years-plus age group, it can be estimated that this year’s flu shot is near useless for the elderly. Predictive methodologies to determine which flu strains emerge during any given influenza season have more in common with primitive mathematical divination than sound science. For the 1992-1993 and 1997-1998 seasons, the vaccine concoction of flu strains was only 16% effective. Katherine Severyn, who monitors the actual WHO prediction results and compares them with CDC claims has stated that, “depending upon the study cited, [flu] vaccine efficacy actually ranges from a low of 0%.”

Year after year, the US government spends approximately a billion dollars to purchase flu vaccines from the pharmaceutical cartel. Year after year, these vaccines prove to be capable of immunizing only a modest portion of the population. Since the CDC estimates it will have purchased 151-156 million flu shots to dump off this year, there is little else it can do except fudge science, release misleading propaganda and continue to distribute a useless snake oil.

 

More Bad News for the Influenza Vaccine

An ineffective seasonal vaccine is the least of the flu shots problems. In December 2014, the Department of Justice released its report outlining compensation paid out to vaccine injured victims. Based upon the statistics, the flu vaccine has been shown to be the most dangerous reported. Fifty-nine percent of awarded flu vaccine injuries were for Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

Although, a final report of injuries and death from this year’s influenza vaccines won’t be made public until the end of 2015, the 2013-2014 vaccines accounted for over 93,000 adverse reactions, including 8,888 hospitalizations and 1,080 deaths according to the government’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). By the CDC’s own omission, the VAERS database only accounts for approximately 10% of adverse vaccine events. Do the math and the actual number far outweighs reported complications from contracting wild flu viruses.

Although, earlier research has shown that influenza vaccines contribute to adverse inflammatory cardiovascular alternations, which are lethal to senior citizens, and significant inflammation in pregnant women that may be associated with an increase in pre-term births and preeclampsia, new studies published in 2014 should raise further alarm:

A team of Finnish scientists at Finland’s National Institute for Health and Welfare, recorded 800 cases of narcolepsy associated with Glaxo’s flu vaccine Pandemix. Vaccine ingredients other than the viral antigen or engineered component, are most often believed to be the primary culprits to adverse vaccine reactions. The Finnish research, on the other hand, indicated that the Glaxo vaccine’s altered viral nucleotide likely contributed to the sudden rise in sleeping sickness. Dr. Paul Offit, the premier media celebrity for the vaccine establishment, has repeatedly made claims that infants can safely withstand tens of thousands of viral antigens; therefore, according to Offit, parents should not fear innumerable vaccinations at a single time. This new finding on the contrary, sends a warning to all pregnant women and parents that it is not simply vaccines’ many toxic ingredients that pose worry, but the bioengineered viral components are also potentially life threatening.

For almost a decade, the CDC has known influenza vaccines are ineffective in the elderly but continues to market them without hesitation. Hence in November 2014, five senior citizens at an assisted living facility in Dacula, Georgia, died within week after all residents were vaccinated. During the previous year’s flu vaccine trials, Sanofi Pasteur’s Fluzone killed 23 elderly participants during the vaccine trial. Nevertheless, the vaccine was approved and continues to be marketed towards senior citizens.

The Mumps Vaccine: Another Useless Shot

The question whether the mumps vaccine should have ever been put on the market has been debated since the 1950s. Over fifty years ago the nation’s chief federal epidemiologist, E.H. Lossing, warned that the mumps vaccine, which doesn’t provide lifelong immunity, would create a far more medically dangerous and costlier problem for people who become infected as adults. At its best, the mumps vaccine may protect a person for 2 years, according to Dr. Greg Poland, head of the Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. In 2014, there were over 1000 mumps cases and all outbreaks occurred in highly vaccinated populations. It was far worse in 2006, writes Lawrence Solomon for the Huffington Post. During that year 84% of the 6,500 mumps cases were fully vaccinated young adults. Among the almost 450 mumps cases in the American South last year, only 3 were unvaccinated. What is more disturbing, researchers at the Bordeaux University Hospital in France, found that vaccinated adults were contracting a particularly malignant strain of mumps that contributed to meningitis, inflammation of the testicles, and hearing impairment.

 

Secondary Transmission of Measles from a Fully Vaccinated Woman 

A study published in a 2014 issue of the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases confirmed that not only may measles occur in vaccinated individuals, but a 2011 measles outbreak in New York City may have had its source in a fully vaccinated individual. Not only did the vaccinated woman, dubbed “Measles Mary”, contract the disease, but she also passed it to four others, two who were vaccinated. This is the first confirmed medical case of secondary measles transmission causing an outbreak. Earlier in the year, another study confirmed that individuals vaccinated against pertussis can be infectious carriers of the virus and can likely infect others who either do not respond immunologically to the pertussis vaccine or who are unvaccinated.

The conclusion is that the B. pertussis vaccinated individual now endangers the health of the unvaccinated and vaccinated alike.

Earlier, a far greater blow against the efficacy of the measles vaccine came when Dr. Gregory Poland, Editor in Chief of the journal Vaccine and founder of the Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group, published a surprising statement that the measles vaccine has a poor record of efficacy. Despite the high 95% measles vaccination compliance of children entering kindergarten, and the CDC’s propaganda that the vaccine has defeated the virus, measles outbreaks are rising. For the first half of 2014, there were 16 large measles outbreaks in the US. Dr. Poland does not believe this is due to unvaccinated individuals, but because of the failure of the vaccine.

These types of vaccine failures, which are also occurring far more frequently in pertussis outbreaks, further puts to rest the herd immunity hypothesis.

 

A Bad Year for the Pertussis Vaccine

Outbreaks of whooping cough have been increasing annually. However, state and local health authorities investigating and gathering statistics on pertussis outbreaks are discovering the highest numbers of infected persons among the vaccinated. Mississippi, with the highest vaccination rate in the country, has shown significant increases in whooping cough cases, with only 9% of those infected being unvaccinated. Across the nation, the most highly infected are those who have received three or more pertussis shots and boosters.

However, it was in Australia last year that the government’s National Center for Immunization and Research of Vaccine Preventable Diseases found that the pertussis vaccine effectiveness is waning far more rapidly than expected, even among vaccinated 3 year olds.

While the mainstream media and the vaccine establishment have launched a brutal campaign to blame unvaccinated individuals for the recent upsurge in pertussis infections, the CDC has publicly announced the contrary. Dr. Anne Schuchat from the CDC has stated, “We know there are places around the country where there are large numbers of people we aren’t vaccinated. However, we don’t think those exemptors are driving this current wave. We think it is a bad thing that people aren’t getting vaccinated or exempting, but we cannot blame this wave on that phenomenon.” What Americans need to know is that more virulent strains of B. pertussis have emerged that are not covered by current DpT vaccines. Earlier, Australian immunologists suggested that the emergence of a new vaccine-resistant B. pertussis strain may be due to over vaccination. What the world is witnessing with antibiotic resistant organisms, due to the over use and abuse of antibiotic medications, is similarly occurring with viruses targeted by vaccines.

 

Would You Like Some Depression with Your Rubella Vaccine?

It is common to feel out of sorts and depressed when feeling ill and under the weather. But might a vaccine be the cause for the depression? In 2014 medical departments at Hebrew University in Israel and the Max Planck Institute for Psychiatry in Germany, two of the world’s most distinguished institutes, published a double blind study revealing that teenage girls vaccinated with attenuated rubella virus had a statistically significant increase of induced bouts of depression up to ten weeks. The increase in post-vaccine depression occurred among girls in lower socioeconomic brackets. Today with over 50% of school age children in America living in poverty, the rubella vaccine is now contributing to serious psychological episodes and problems that are repeatedly reported in the mainstream psychological literature.

 

Put a Hold on that Hepatitis B Vaccine

Although an association between multiple sclerosis and the hepatitis B vaccine has been debated for over 15 years, the CDC continues to categorically deny this relationship. However, a 2014 retrospective French study investigating the sudden spike in multiple sclerosis cases since 1993, identified France’s mass Hepatitis B vaccination program as the perpetuator for a doubling of MS cases within a few years. MS is a demyelinating disease of the nerves. The French scientists suspect that a vaccine protein contributed to the breakdown of myelin. Again, it is not only the non-viral ingredients we should be scared about. In the US there are 10,000 new cases of MS annually, and infants are vaccinated with the hepatitis B vaccine immediately after birth.

 

The Safety of Paul Offit’s Rotateq Vaccine Questioned, Again

Sayer Ji, editor of GreenMedInfo, noted that the Rotateq vaccine against the rotavirus, developed by Paul Offit for Merck, contained a live simian retrovirus that has likely infected millions of children around the world. The study was published in the prestigious Journal of Virology in 2010. Yet a more recent 2014 study published in Advances in Virology identified another viral contaminant in Offit’s vaccine: a baboon endogenous virus “likely due to the monkey cell line in which Rotateq was produced from.” Only time will tell whether Offit’s contaminated vaccine will have the impact of the tainted polio vaccine with the carcinogenic S40 virus.

 

Exposing the Fraud of the Human Papilloma Vaccine (HPV)

A paper out of the University of California at Berkeley and appearing in the October 2013 issue of Molecular Cytogenetics came to public attention last year to suggest that cervical cancer may not be caused by the human papilloma virus. If the theory is correct that may prove that the HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix do not prevent cervical cancer at all.

Moreover, researchers at the University of Guelph in Canada reported that the HPV vaccine on a “mechanism” by which the vaccine is altering transmission leading to higher oncogene expression among vaccinated girls. The implications from this research is that the vaccine is driving the evolution of viral virulence, similar to what is being observed with vaccines for pertussis, mumps and measles.

 

Chickenpox Vaccine is Shown to Increase Disease Rates 

Again, 2014 has been a dismal year for the pro-vaccine community. Even the chickenpox vaccine, long thought to be safe and effective, is failing with the others. Back in 2005, South Korea mandated the varicella vaccine to all children under15 months. Regardless of the country’s 97% compliance—well, above herd immunity’s claims to eradicate infectious disease—chickenpox infections have not declined and in fact have increased three-fold between 2006 and 2011.

 

Conclusion

The vaccine establishment is desperate. The ghosts of their fraudulent science, manipulated research, misleading propaganda across mainstream media and in the blogosphere are returning to haunt them. The pro-vaccine pundits are rapidly losing credibility as increasing numbers of parents and young adults educate themselves about vaccine efficacy and their health risks. If it were left for an open scientific debate between pro-vaccinators and those opposing vaccines, the former would be would have science on their side.

It is time for a national debate to end vaccine madness. As further research emerges, as the vaccine paradigm is further stripped away, future generations will be looking back upon vaccination as a barbaric, primitive practice.

 

[BarcaS take 2]

Ajao, koji politicizam bez ikakve upotrebne vrednosti.

[Dule_smor]

ma ne, ne razumete vi to...nema veze sto je samo u 20. veku 300 miliona ljudi umrlo od velikih boginja koje su zahvaljujuci vakcini iskorenjene 1980. kad 1.1 u milion vakcinisane dece razvije autizam, dok je pre vakcina samo 1 u milion dobijao tu bolest!

Мислим да грешиш. Степен обољевања је небитан. Што потврђује и Дуле доктор и остали доктори који говоре да су вакцине спасиле милионе живота. Колико само људи оболи од обичног грипа сваке године у Србији Немачкој Француској итд али се не умире од њега . Степен смртности је изузетно низак .

Са другим делом се апсолутно слажем са тобом само што изводимо различит закључак. Побољшање исхране , хигијене , чиста вода и општи услови живљења су ти који су смањили смртност од разних болести .

ja relano i smatram da ne treba primati vakcinu protiv obicnog gripa svake godine...ali ove vakcine koje su stvarno spasle slobodno mogu reci milijarde zivota ne mogu da budu odbacene zbog jedne komplikacije u milion slucajeva

[Kal1mero]

Ummmm... Kako to mislis stepen oboljevanja je nizak? Da li si video sta sve moze *i to vrlo cesto* da se desi nekome ko zapati boginje na primer? :)

 

Da li znas koliko su npr boginje opasne kad ih zapatis kao odrasli, i to one najobicnije, ovcije?

Степен смртности је низак. То сам рекао . Хоћу да кажем да је то много битнија ставка од степена обољевања.   И ако се степен смртности смањио за 90% пре употребе  вакцина онда не можемо да тврдимо да су вакцине одговорне за спасавање милионе живота као што људи тврде . 

[Shekk]

Nauka podforum, realna priča

[Kal1mero]

Не разумем шта си хтео рећи ? :)

[Dule_smor]

šta lupas kali, jel se i za velike boginje stepen smrtnosti smanjio pre uvodjenja vakcine?

[Kal1mero]

Покажи Дуле статистику колико је људи умирало пре те вакцине и после па ћемо знати :) 

Ја сам пронашао за дифтерију , рубеолу , велики кашаљ , дечју парализу,  и ту се показује да се смртност смањила за 90% пре вакцинације.

Мада успео сам да пронађем график који може да покаже нешто што ти не иде у прилог 

[Dule_smor]

pa da čitaš šta pišem video bi...napisao sam da je samo u 20. veku od variole umrlo 300 miliona ljudi, a posle 1980. i vakcinacije nijedan jedini čovek...ako kažeš da to nema veze sa vakcinom nema šta više da pričam sa tobom

 

edit, sad videh ovaj grafik, kucao sam sa mobilnog...prvo, potrebne su godine primene neke vakcine da se u celoj populaciji stekne imunitet i krene sa smanjenjem broja umrlih...drugo ovaj grafik sa ovim pikovima je skoro sigurno netacan, jer po njemu u 20 veku niko nije umro od variole (smallpox), sto nije tacno

[Kal1mero]

Значи имамо ситуацију да се стопа смртности од  одређених болести смањила преко 90% БЕЗ вакцине јер вакцина за те болести никад није ни направљена и имамо ситуацију да се смртност код неких болести смањила за преко 90% пре вакцинације .  

Таква ситуација је и код великих богиња у Енглеској и Велсу где се види на графикону. Имамо да је смртност са око 100 000 људи смањила без вакцине ( 1838 ) за пар година на 15 000 . Затим се опет повећава за пар година на 40 000. После тога се уводи вакцина која није била обавезна и долази до пораста умрлих . Ок могуће је да пошто вакцина није била обавезна није дало ефекта. Затим се уводи обавезна вакцинација  ( 1867 ) и број умрлих уместо да опадне драстично он се повећава на  око100 000 људи.  Пошто се број умрлих повећао после вакцинације ми са сигурношћу можемо рећи да је вакцина одговорна за смањење броја умрлих.

А и да се не лажемо ти ниси ни хтео да причаш са мном :) Ти си овде дошао јер те нервира што се уопште прича о овоме :) 

[Dule_smor]

odgovorio sam ti u editu posta...a mogu i ja valjda nekad da budem iznad situacije kad je trupi stalno, pricajte sta ocete, zabole me bas:)

[Kal1mero]

График се не односи на цео свет већ на Енглеску и Велс :)

[Dule_smor]

i u engleskoj i velsu je bilo smrtnih slucajeva od variole u 20. veku

 

nego batali vakcine, sta cemo kad ovo krene:)

 

http://www.srbijadanas.com/clanak/covek-postaje-masina-u-svedskoj-zaposlene-cipuju-kao-pse-31-01-2015

[Ramirez]

Koji to sabani dele ovom Kaliju minuse iako je totalno u okvirima pristojne, argumentovane rasprave, da ga svaki forum pozeli kao konstruktivnog clana? Odlepili borci protiv svih alternativnih oblika medicine?  :)

[Zwerko]

Karleusa rekla da ne treba vakcinisati decu, case closed :)

STOP NEZNANJU Neuka Karleuša vodi rat protiv vakcinacije http://blic.rs/i/530903

[mohican]

Možda su ljudi samo alergični na glupost.

[Ramirez]

A mozda se samo plase onoga sto ne razumeju.

[Shekk]

Kao npr vakcinacije ?    

[Pekarman]

Samo da napomenem da period koji Cali izvlaci iz konteksta je epidemija u Indiji tadasnjoj koloniji Engleske pa zato i porast obolelih u samoj Engleskoj od iste pa onda drastican pad kad su strozije mere u transportu i informacije o istoj sprovedene.

 

Grafikoni su dvodimenzioni prikaz dok je sam zivot multidimenzionalan. 

[Kal1mero]

Ја не видим да се графикон односи на Индију ? Пише Енглеска и Велс . Где си прочитао да се односи на Индију ?

Мислим ја могу  ( и ако се не слажем са тим ) да кажем ок у праву сте  . Вакцина против великих богиња је делотворна. Али зашто се ви онда не слажете са мном да остале нису кад је очигледно да је смртност од многих болести скоро нестала пре вакцине ?

[Dule_smor]

ne odnosi se na indiju, ali pekar kaze da je sigurno bilo dosta importovanih slucajeva iz indije u samoj engleskoj posto je indija tada bila kolonija jelte

 

nego batali vakcine kali, sta cemo kad nas sve cipuju!

[Kal1mero]

Samo da napomenem da period koji Cali izvlaci iz konteksta je epidemija u Indiji tadasnjoj koloniji Engleske pa zato i porast obolelih u samoj Engleskoj od iste pa onda drastican pad kad su strozije mere u transportu i informacije o istoj sprovedene.

 

Grafikoni su dvodimenzioni prikaz dok je sam zivot multidimenzionalan. 

Ајде прво да научите да разликујете број оболелих од броја умрлих од неке болести. 

Ево у Шведској није било Индијаца 

 

 

А ево поређења са онима који су вакцинисани и са онима који нису

 

Koji to sabani dele ovom Kaliju minuse iako je totalno u okvirima pristojne, argumentovane rasprave, da ga svaki forum pozeli kao konstruktivnog clana? Odlepili borci protiv svih alternativnih oblika medicine?  :)

Чиста немоћ . Нико није покушао чак да провери податке . Толико о озбиљности расправе :)

Edited February 1, 2015 by Kal1mero