Vesti iz sveta automobilizma

[killYg0r]

Sa jedne strane je buduci klasik

Sa druge se taj auto nikad nije kupovao za jurnjavu i brecanje

[Lucky]

On 7/9/2024 at 4:09 PM, manson said:

I ovi stigli u Srbiju https://www.b92.net/automobili/aktuelno/38412/svedsko-kineska-kombinacija-lynk-co-je-stigao-u-srbiju-poznata-i-cena-foto/vest
Jedan model, sve od opreme, jedina doplata je za kuku 🙂
50k redovna cena, 47k promo.

bili su već na sajmu automobila.

to je sve deo "volvo grupe" pa se i kod nas prodaje pod njima nekako.

ne znam dal baš imaju odvojeni salon ili su deo onog volvo salona.

[dovlagsi]

koliko je nešto kul od 0 do Audi je 90 godina kasnije zapravo napravio Schnellsportwagen sa 16 ciilndara 😮

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Audi Auto Union Type 52

Everyone knows the Auto Union Silver Arrows, the legendary 1930s Grand Prix race cars. But hardly anyone knows that a street-legal sports car version with a 16-cylinder engine was also planned for these pioneering racing cars: the Auto Union Type 52. Now Audi has built this car, the Schnellsportwagen, and presented it to the public for the first time at the 2024 Goodwood Festival of Speed in England.

Back to the time when the Auto Union Type 52 was imagined: Auto Union AG, formed in 1932 from the merger of Audi, DKW, Horch, and Wanderer, became a motorsports contender from early on to make its new logo, the four rings, a household name around the world. The same year, the rules were published for the new 750 kg formula used in the Grand Prix held from 1934 to 1936. In 1933, Auto Union AG commissioned the Stuttgart design office of Ferdinand Porsche to develop a race car based on the 750 kg formula. Work on the Auto Union Type A (internally, Porsche called it the Type 22) began in March of 1933. Just one year later, Hans Stuck set a world record driving the car on the AVUS circuit in Berlin. When the innovative Auto Union and Mercedes-Benz race cars burst onto the international racing scene, the legend of the Silver Arrows was born.

Swift as an arrow, these legendary powerhouses captivated audiences with their futuristic design and revolutionary technology. While Mercedes-Benz favored front-mounted engines, Auto Union was the first to place the engine behind the driver. This mid-engine layout remains the standard in Formula One today. In the years that followed, Auto Union set several world records, winning numerous hill climbs, three German championships, and the European championship in 1936 with the advanced Auto Union Type C. And the rest is history...

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2023 Audi Auto Union Type 52

 

Or maybe not quite, as one part of the story has yet to be told. Few people know that while the Grand Prix race cars were being developed, Auto Union AG and the Ferdinand Porsche design office also planned a street-legal sports sedan. The concept papers called the vehicle "Schnellsportwagen", apparently its intended marketing name. Today, with its distinctive characteristics, the car most closely resembles a classic Gran Turismo.

The Auto Union Type 52, as the project came to be known, was intended to be sold to customers for driving in long-distance races such as the Mille Miglia or in sports car competitions such as the endurance races at Spa-Francorchamps or Le Mans. There was also talk of the car being a factory race car.

Sporty dynamics and everyday suitability are listed in the Auto Union Type 52 design specifications

As early as the end of 1933, the Porsche design office drew up the first design sketches, which took on a more concrete form in 1934. The project managers decided to build a test car - but as far as we know today, it never materialized. The project was abandoned in 1935, and its trail lost in the archives of Audi and Porsche. But the developers left much groundbreaking work on paper. It was based on the technology of the Grand Prix race car that was developed at the same time: The chassis from the Auto Union Type 52 was designed as a ladder frame with a mid-mounted engine. The drivetrain of the Auto Union Type 22 was used, but the compression of the powerful 16-cylinder engine was reduced to allow the car to run on regular gasoline. At the same time, the engineers reduced the gear ratio of the Roots supercharger. The Auto Union Type 52's engine was to draw around 200 PS from 4.4 liters of displacement at 3,650 rpm. Its maximum torque of 4,450 kgf-cm (436 Nm) was achieved at a moderate 2,2350 rpm. Compared to the Grand Prix legend, this was a reduction in output, but the excellent performance of around 200 km/h, as calculated by the engineers, shows that the Schnellsportwagen would have lived up to its name. In its day, it would have been one of the most powerful street-legal vehicles on the road and in sports car competitions - a true "Schnellsportwagen".

Building the car: Historical documents as the starting point

Audi commissioned Crosthwaite & Gardner to build the Auto Union Type 52 using surviving archive documents, plans, and design sketches. The British restoration experts also curated the Silver Arrows for Audi's historic vehicle collection and, after multi-year work, finished building the Schnellsportwagen in 2023. All components are custom-made and were handcrafted specifically for the model. At over five meters long, the Auto Union Type 52 makes an impact: Its elongated silhouette reflects how its engineers designed the car for optimal aerodynamics and maximum performance. Unlike its Grand Prix siblings, the car is more suitable for everyday driving, as the designers intended, with an overhead roof, headlights, and room for luggage. There is also space for the two spare tires. But that is where the three-passenger car's comfort features end. As is typical for a race car, the Auto Union Type 52 driver sits in the middle, with the rear passenger seats slightly offset to the side. With three passengers, 70 kilograms of luggage, and 150 kilograms of equipment, the technical data sheet lists the car's total weight at 1,750 kilograms, with an unladen weight of 1,300 kilograms.

While the engine, transmission, and open 5-speed gearbox were taken from the Grand Prix car, the engineers chose different technical solutions for the suspension and damping. Instead of a combination of transverse leaf springs and friction dampers like the Auto Union Type 22, the Type 52 uses longitudinal torsion spring suspension in combination with hydraulic dampers. During development, the 29-gallon fuel tank was relocated under the seats. In the Grand Prix race car, the significantly larger tank is located directly behind the driver in the vehicle's center of gravity, giving the Silver Arrows an ideal weight distribution whether the tank is full or empty. Both the Auto Union Type 52 and the Type 22 use drum brakes on all four wire wheels.

Comments on the Auto Union Type 52: Stefan Trauf and Hans-Joachim Stuck

Audi Tradition was presented the Schnellsportwagen to the public for the first time at Goodwood in 2024. Stefan Trauf, Head of Audi Tradition: "We are thrilled to present the Auto Union Type 52 at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. This car gets people excited about design and technology. For me, it is an absolute dream car. In its day, unfortunately, it remained only a dream - one that we are now, 90 years later, able to bring to life. The Auto Union Type 52 demonstrates the ingenuity of its creators and the technological innovation of the time. Being able to experience the Schnellsportwagen live is a great pleasure for me."

The Auto Union Type 52 will be driven at Goodwood by Le Mans record winner Tom Kristensen and racing legend Hans-Joachim "Strietzel" Stuck. The latter's father, Hans Stuck, went down in history as the "Hill Climb Champion" for his many victories in Auto Union Grand Prix race cars in the hill climbs popular in the 1930s. Hans-Joachim Stuck, speaking after his first test drive in the Auto Union Type 52: "When I occasionally drive the Auto Union Type C, which my father drove in his day, at Audi Tradition events, the excitement and fascination of the motorsport fans is palpable. It is a great honor and pleasure to drive the Auto Union Type 52 at Goodwood for the first time. The Schnellsportwagen is simply breathtaking: Its sound is incredibly sonorous - like it came from an orchestra. And the design of the Auto Union Type 52 will practically blow you away - it's genius!"

Last but not least, a look at the challenges in building this one-of-a-kind model

The Auto Union Type 52 was not handed down in a finished state, so there are no pictures of a finished model. During Auto Union AG's dissolution in the Russian occupation zone following World War II, most of the historic Grand Prix race cars disappeared, as did many files and photographs. Similarly, there are no verified reports from contemporaries that would allow conclusions to be drawn about the planned Schnellsportwagen's final configuration insofar as there ever was one. However, the plans provide a clear vision of the direction of development and the goals the engineers were pursuing.

During the building phase, Audi Tradition and the experts at Crosthwaite & Gardiner were in constant and intensive communication, during which Timo Witt, Head of Audi's historical vehicle collection, had to resolve a range of technicalities. Decisions for or against individual technical solutions had to be made. Witt today, after finishing the car project: "One insight that came out of our intensive exchange is that the developers in the 1930s would probably have had to adjust some of the technical details in the course of testing, too. Similarly, we had to lengthen the Auto Union Type 52's wheelbase compared to the original design documents because it was technically unavoidable in combination with other components such as the front suspension, engine, steering, and transmission. The interior is inspired by the Auto Union Grand Prix race cars, with a modern interpretation of colors and fabrics."

None of the documents specified the color the car would have had at the time. So, Audi Tradition again took the race car as the foundation and chose Cellulose Silver for the finish. When it came to the engine that would power the Auto Union Type 52, Audi consciously decided to deviate from the designers' original plan. Audi Tradition used the 16-cylinder engine from the Auto Union Type C; its output was not restricted to the Type 52 to ensure compatibility with the Grand Prix race cars. For that reason, the engine runs on a special methanol mixture. Based on the information handed down, which Audi Tradition has interpreted and implemented with considerable care, the Auto Union Type 52, which will be presented for the first time at Goodwood, is the closest approximation to the Schnellsportwagen Auto Union Type 52 that was imagined some 90 years ago but never built - until now!

 

[Junkie]

Ja bi ovako neko sprdanje, al na struju, kao daily.

[dovlagsi]

Na struju?

[Dule_smor]

Nadam se da troluje Dzanki, ako ne stavite ga na spisak pls.

[Lucky]

17 hours ago, dovlagsi said:

koliko je nešto kul od 0 do Audi je 90 godina kasnije zapravo napravio Schnellsportwagen sa 16 ciilndara 😮

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haha, ali što je vozač u sredini i ima volan kao iz autobusa :))

[dovlagsi]

A dečja sedišta? 😁 

[Lucky]

On 7/13/2024 at 8:37 AM, dovlagsi said:

A dečja sedišta? 😁 

ceo auto deluje skoro kao homerovo vozilo osim naravno nešto lepše dizajniran :))

[manson]

Kažu za Pandu će subvencija kod nas biti 7k EUR https://vrelegume.rs/kragujevacki-fiat-grande-panda-ispod-20-000-evra-uz-subvencije/

sa njom cena tu negde oko 18k

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Kako je Tavares najavio, potpuno električna Grande Panda se može očekivati po ceni ispod 25.000 evra, što znači da bi bazni model Grande Panda „električar“ kod nas mogao koštati oko 18.000 evra uz najavljene državne subvencije (za domaći model u visini od 7.000 evra).

 

[Lucky]

2 hours ago, manson said:

Kažu za Pandu će subvencija kod nas biti 7k EUR https://vrelegume.rs/kragujevacki-fiat-grande-panda-ispod-20-000-evra-uz-subvencije/

sa njom cena tu negde oko 18k

 

pa znaš šta, nije to loše, doduše zanima me šta tačno je ta cena od 25k, ako je to maloprodajna negde preko (gde imaš carinu i porez itd) onda nisu baš nešto subvencionisali, plus već daju 5k za sva EV vozila odakle god da su, tako da bi bilo dobro da se malo više iscimaju za ovu pandu posebno što se kod nas neće ni prodavati toliko jer neće ljudi EV vozila.

npr kad bi oko 15k bila to bi već mogla biti zanimljiva kupovina.

[dovlagsi]

25k je cena najavljena preko, a mi generalno za sve modele proizvedene u EU, odnosno u ovom slučaju kod nas jel, uvek imamo značajno niže cene. Ja mislim da će biti jedan kratak sweet spot za kupovinu na početku, očekujem da konačno krene i ona subvencija za reciklažu. Navodno 2k eur subvencija za bilo koji auto za presu. Pa se to možda bude i sabiralo... A sweet spot će biti zbog ograničenog budžeta, jel, sve će nagrnuti ako tako bude bilo. 

Takođe imajte u vidu da se tu radi o osnovnoj Pandi bez ratkapni, a tu je takođe i hibridni model koji može biti zanimljiv... očekujem da će unekoć krenuti i samo sa 1,2 puretech benzinjarom, kao kod C3, Avengera i sl. 

[Lucky]

18 hours ago, dovlagsi said:

25k je cena najavljena preko, a mi generalno za sve modele proizvedene u EU, odnosno u ovom slučaju kod nas jel, uvek imamo značajno niže cene. Ja mislim da će biti jedan kratak sweet spot za kupovinu na početku, očekujem da konačno krene i ona subvencija za reciklažu. Navodno 2k eur subvencija za bilo koji auto za presu. Pa se to možda bude i sabiralo... A sweet spot će biti zbog ograničenog budžeta, jel, sve će nagrnuti ako tako bude bilo. 

 

ovo je bilo samo za dizelaše najavljeno a ne za sva vozila, ali ajde, videćemo.

[Junkie]

On 7/12/2024 at 12:22 PM, Dule_smor said:

Nadam se da troluje Dzanki, ako ne stavite ga na spisak pls.

Ne trolujem, sve te matore koji imaju stil do jaja a motor fazon 11.5KS i pali se 30 minuta na kurblu bi imao radije električne. Sva ta arhaična tehnika je super u nekoj romantičnoj mašti, al u praksi je sranje za korišćenje... see under Rurmobil 😄