Sting Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Osim nas ovde i svih ostalih na internetu! Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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G!!! Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 gay.org.yu se ne računa! rekao je covek "i ostalih na internetu" :P nego malo Q&A sa Emilom gejom "Wow. Certainly lots of interesting opinions here -- which, of course, is what being a Fallout fan is all about. ttsec -- Honestly, naivety had nothing to do with it. I knew quite well how some of the hardcore fallout fans would ultimately view Bethesda's take on Fallout 3. And, as lead designer, I knew I would be the subject of much of that criticism. It comes with the territory. I wouldn't have accepted this position if I weren't prepared to deal with that. And you're right, I did think "Oooh Fallout! I liked Fallout. It'd be fun to make a Fallout 3. Let's mingle with the fans!" I still think that, every day I walk into the office, and it's the reason I'm responding to this forum right now. I love interacting with the fans, and I love being a part of the community. That said, I also refuse to be villified or accept that I -- or any other member of the Fallout team -- is somehow doing something wrong simply because we're making the game we want to make. Sorry, that's just now how I roll. I do admit that I, personally, have done a pretty crappy job of interacting with the fans on a regular basis. The reason is actually pretty simple -- being lead designer of Fallout 3 keeps a guy crazy busy. I also have a family, and 4 kids, so in the end something's got to give... and the thing has been me interacting with the fans. But reasons are only reasons to the person giving them -- to everyone else they're excuses. So, I'm really going to try to get better at that. Anyway, if you're wondering if we're actually reading the forums, seeing what you guys are discussing... I think you've got your answer. So maybe you can explain if "we're making the game we want to make" why did you have to use someone else's IP and then not retain the basis for the series gameplay? Caligula -- I mean, that's really pretty simple. We love Fallout, and had talked about acquiring the license, and dreamed about creating a Fallout game "Bethesda-style" -- immersive 3rd/1st person. You know, we don't make the type of games we do simply because they're the type of game the studio makes -- we make them because we love them. We love feeling like we're a part of a world. For us, making Fallout 3 was a chance for us to become a part of that world. Then why no "Have you played Fallout?" question on the Bethesda blog after the first couple of people answered no and we all roasted them for it? Lingwei -- Do I know for sure that every designer has played Fallout? Well, I haven't stood over them with a whip and a can of mace and forced them to play, but yeah, they've all played Fallout to some degree. Are they all ardant fans? No... some of them love the game, some of them like the game, some are anywhere in between. Some weren't very familiar with Fallout before we started Fallout 3, but they're damn familiar now. Some of them were (and are) walking Fallout encyclopedias. It's a pretty well-balanced team, and the designers all have their specialties. Actually, it's a great team, and one that makes my job that much easier. You love the games, but don't want another... You love the original games, but hated the foundation that made them great. Therefore, ypu intend to "oblivionize it" as much as possible in order to please the Halo fans. All I can do is give you an honest answer, Caligula. I can't make you like it. As for shades of gray, and the Brotherhood of Steel depicted in my team diary -- Very fair point, and yeah, I think those shades of gray are incredibly important. There are quite a few quests in Fallout where the truth isn't quite what it seems, and it's up to the player to determine what is right and what is wrong; and that's certainly a there that pervades the entire game. That's not to say there can't be characters who strive for something more noble. Elder Lyons wanted to help the people of the Capital Wasteland. Was he right? He certainly thought so. Did those around him agree? Not all of 'em. Question: Dungeonkeeper was a 2d sprite game with a 3d backdrop; but it let you play FPP as well. DK2 was full 3d, but kept the original vantage, and kept the FPP mode. [both modes were called for in both games at different times, and the FPP combat worked well with the Isometric] Was this approach ever considered for Fallout 3? Clearly the engine can support Isometric 'like' game play. So why abandon outright, what could have been blended together if intended? Gizmo -- Honestly, no, we never really considered making the game like that. And man, I loved me some Dungeon Keeper! But we really saw the game as third/first-person. Me, I prefer first-person by a longshot. It's my preferred perspective for any game. I'm a sucker for immersion, and for me, first-person is the way to achieve that; it just so happens I work with a bunch of people who largely feel the same way, and want to make the same kinds of games. Was it a surprise that migrating fans would expect the game to feature similar mechanics? No, no surprise at all. We fully expected that. We knew from step one that some fans would accept what we were doing, some fans wouldn't. But in the end, it was our job to come up with the vision of the project, and that's what we did. I mean seriously if someone bought Oblivion or Morrowind and changed it to TB ISO you guys would be a little "volitile" too. You know not all fallout fans are rabid deathclaws... You know, that's the thing... that's the really tough thing. I CAN understand why some Fallout fans would be bitter. I CAN understand why some Fallout fans would feel like someone took their world and flipped it upside down (or, erm, pulled their camera in...). You know, I try to think of one of my favorite, "old school" games. Let's use Sid Meier's Covert Action as an example. If I found out someone had acquired that license and was turning it into, I dunno... an XBox Live Arcade puzzle game... I'd be pretty miffed too. So I totally get why some fans would be put off by what we're doing. At the same time, we're not making an Xbox Live puzzle game. We're making an RPG, and I think a damned good one, and I think a lot of people are going to be really psyched to finally be able to enter into the Fallout universe in a more immersive manner. Is it feasible to implement a script that would run when zoomed way out, that enables a mouse cursor, and "auto-centers" the player attack on the entity clicked (by ID#), just the aiming, the rest as normal. Could this make that mode viable in combat? You know, it's hard to say right now... but I will say how surprised even I was when I saw how far back the camera could be pulled. And, when and if we do release the Fallout construction tools, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if something like this were possible. I mean, just look at what Oblivion fans have been able to do with Oblivion -- it's freaking crazy. Do you beleive that aftermarket mods are going to be one of the strengths of Fallout 3, like Oblivion (I'm assuming) or the Neverwinter Nights games? Whenever tools are released, that certainly seems to be the case -- whether for Oblivion, NWN, or even Quake for that matter. Give players the tools, and they're use em to incredible effectiveness. [i didn't like your version of the BoS, here's some better ideas] You outline one possible fiction; I've outlined another. Really just two takes on the same situation. I will say that what readers got in the team diary was the very black and white, simple version. In order to get the other sides of the story, you'll need to talk to people in the game. Last September I sent a tracked PM outlining an idea for fullblown TB combat without an engine overhaul. Did you receive it? Gizmo PM -- I read all my PMs, certainly, and that one does come to mind specifically. The thing is, anything is possible. We could have made any game we wanted; we could have made Fallout 3 any way we wanted. But we went the way we did because we felt like it was the best perspective/best gameplay for the Fallout 3 we wanted to make. system shock became a legend though. that won't happen with bioshock, i think. See, I don't know if I entirely agree with that statement. System Shock 2 is a legend amongst certain old school PC gamers, sure, but there are plenty of people who've never even played it. There are plenty of gamers -- sure call it a new generation, whatever -- that played played Bioshock and will be saying the same thing about that game 10 years from now. And I'm biased -- I love Shock 2. I was at Looking Glass during the its development. Then why not just come up with "THEIR OWN" post-apoc FPS ( w/pause ) game ? That's a really fair question, and one that's obviously come up a lot. The answer for us is pretty simple -- no other post-apocalyptic world would have been nearly as awesome as Fallout. No Vault Boy, no S.P.E.C.I.A.L., no futuristic 1950s vibe. We specifically wanted to make Fallout 3 for all those reasons and more; if the license weren't important to us, we could have made a post-apocalyptic game a long time ago. Do you think that turn-based, isometric RPGs are outdated or inferior and a thing of the past that should not be in furture games? Oh, hell no. Just because that's not what Fallout 3 is, and not the type of game I prefer to make, doesn't mean I don't love a good turn-based, isometric RPG. I played the hell out of Silent Storm (not an RPG per se, but similar enough), and I'm a big fan of Jeff Vogel's games. I love good games, regardless of genre or perspective, honestly. That said, if you look a video and computer game trends in general, console games have become a lot more popular -- and are a lot more profitable -- and that has certainly affected game publishers' willingness to finance those types of games. Look at the NPD numbers of the best selling PC games of 2007 vs. the best selling console games. We're talking a difference of, in some cases, a million+ copies. Thankfully, console developers are learning how to make these types of games for consoles, learning how to overcome the obvious interface issues. Hell, the Penny Arcade Adventures game for Xbox Live Arcade is, for all intents and purposes, exactly the type of game you're talking about. Personally, I can't wait to get my hands on that. Ever play Myth [1 or 2]? Oh man, I played the death out of both Myth and Myth 2. In fact, back in the day when I was editor at AVault, I had to grudgingly let Jordan Thomas (who is now a developer himself -- he did the Cradle quest in Thief: Deadly Shadows, and worked on Bioshock) do the review, because I wanted to do it so badly. Man, I even played Green Berets, the Vietnam game that used the Myth engine. Ah, good times... If Mr. Perlman need come back for touchup work... Would you consider asking him to record the last two lines of the F1 junktown ending, and put it on the F3 CD? Modders could fix the intended Fallout quests (to a point), so that it ends with Gimzo causing the town to thrive." e da na kojekakvim sajtovima se spominje pocetak septembra kao datum, sto i nije neko iznenadjenje Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 detalji iz OXM magazina, koji je uradio preview za US trzistem na osnovu li neku noviju verziju ovog kopileta , uskoro se ocekuju i skenjovi http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41445 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwert00 Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Priznajem da nisam pazljivo citao , jel se zna datum izlaska? bas me zanima na sta ce to da lici...sto se mene tice ako sama atmosfera bude kao FO2 (ili FO1) ja cu biti zadovoljan..ipak sam u godinama da ne ocekujem vise Quote C programmers never die. They are just cast into void. C# programmers don't die either. They get garbage collected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 septembar tekuce godine, za sada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 detalji iz OXM magazina, koji je uradio preview za US trzistem na osnovu li neku noviju verziju ovog kopileta , uskoro se ocekuju i skenjovi http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41445 Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 skenjovi iz najnovijeg oxm magazina eto sad imamo i zvanicno zombije, i to one koji sijaju u mraku! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo_ Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Au, loše je :| Al Bethesda i dalje rula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 jbg treba zaglupeti sve zivo, mnogo su se prokurcili ovi igraci sto bi igre za malo inteligentnije. Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 trudim se, ali te nisam razumeo :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Zadnji screen mi se svidja. Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marxus Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 ok glupa pitanja: na koju foru naterati super mutanta da dubi na glavi da bi mu razneo nogu?! (ajde razumem da mutant stoji uspravno pa mu razneses nogu i onda padne ali ovaj cirkusantski potez mi nije jasan) behemoth super mutant(?!) izgleda identicno kao manji super mutant ali nosi kao shtit vrata od behemoth kola 11!!?! koja glupost .....................jebem vam mater bezheda sve ste sjebali tupavi moroni............ i zombiji ali svetle u mraku jos fale i magije koje ce biti objasnjene time sto su neki ljudi razvili super sposobnosti da bacaju fireball samo ako pomisle na to................ i sve su sredili......... napravili su zombija od fallouta. Quote GOT MIT UNS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 jbg to su manje vise vec poznate stvari od ranije, sve je pitanje imerzije u next gen igrama jer oni prave igru koju bi oni voleli da igraju i koja se njima svidja... enivej verovatno je lik upucao mutanta u burst modu i dok je ovaj pravio saltomortale u slow motionu, tad mu je zrno iz smg (10 mm ???) bursta otkinulo potkolenicu... lol... da nije losa ta poslednja scena, u prinicpu sto ima manje detalja screenshot to bolje izleda :| a ne deluje toliko lose i PA tip sa minigunom, samo sto PA deluje uzasno neproporcionalno na prvom screenu, onolika glava a onoliko mali torzo, kao da je iz south parka ispao ili kao da je darth vejder iz fireballs filma takodje je kul sto sada imas health za svaki svoj deo tela (ruke noge torso) i mogucnost da budesh crippled (sto je jel te i ranije bilo, kao i mnogo toga ali oni sada prde kao da su oni izmislili ovaj PA setting) VATS UI izgleda uzasno uzasno prosto smrdi e da i mogucnost "trosenja" oruzja u vecini slucajeva smara ako nije za 1 mm dobro izbalansirano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grdja Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Oblivion with guns, in the best way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 nazalost tuzno ali istinito "When we started this, we would go to great lengths to explains the differences from Oblivion," explains Fallout 3's executive producer, Todd Howard. "If you're talking to an enthusiast, there are so many differences, and we feel it's under-selling the game to say it's Oblivion with guns. But when we started talking to more consumer-oriented magazines, we'd have, like, two seconds...and we'd say, 'it's like post-apocalyptic Oblivion with guns.' And they're like, 'Awesome!' To Joe Public, it's mainly first-peron, wide-open game and you get to do what you want. The game it's closest to is Oblivion. So now when someone asks, 'Is it Oblivion with guns?' my main answer is, 'in all the best ways.'" The truth is, the list of comparable titles is pretty short. As Lead Designer Emil Pagliarulo puts it, "How many massively single-player role-playing games are there?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crno-Sunce Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 'it's like post-apocalyptic Oblivion with guns.' And they're like, 'Awesome!' OMG OMG OMG OMG da li je moguce da su ljudi toliko JEBENO GLUPI!?!?!? Quote If there's some higher power that controls my fate, i would like to meet him, shake his hand, then crack open his ribcage and tear out his heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marxus Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 The truth is, the list of comparable titles is pretty short. As Lead Designer Emil Pagliarulo puts it, "How many massively single-player role-playing games are there?" Umm....za pocetak Fallout 1 i 2 lol nubovi nijedni,mada bi najvise od svega voleo da vi nesretnici napravite nesto makar i 80% dobro kao prva dva dela,ali mrka kapa izgleda. Quote GOT MIT UNS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 "One key distinction between VATS and RTwP is that VATS provides a tactical view, complete with chance-to-hit percentages, much like the aimed shot display from the original Fallout, presented in the actual game view as a HUD overlay. This isn’t just eye candy; the percentages are exactly reflecting what’s going to happen “behind the scenes.” That’s quite unlike any RTwP system I’m familiar with. An even more fundamental distinction between VATS and a real-time-with-pause system is what happens when you leave the “pause” mode and the action resume. In a RTwP system, when the action starts again, you’re simply back to real-time. In VATS, when the action starts again, you’re not back to real-time. Rather, you’re in a mode where your character acts quickly, while the rest of the world is heavily slowed down. Again, the results of your actions are purely statistics-driven, based on the percentage chances that were presented in the tactical view. And again, that’s different from any RTwP system that I’m aware of. Obviously VATS is different than taking a turn. But I can tell you, in my own entirely subjective and personal experience, that when I enter VATS, queue up some shots, and fire, it does indeed feel very much like I have chosen to “take a turn” at that moment, in the sense that the world stops and what I choose to do happens more-or-less “immediately” and in a purely stat-based fashion. Do note that I’m not saying anything new about VATS here; I’m just contrasting the major points of distinction with RTwP. As Brio pointed out earlier, all of this detail and more can be found in the official fan interview; I recommend checking it out." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolkonski Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Sad na kraju kada je resena misterija, mozemo da promenimo ime topika u na primer "Fallout - Oblivion in likely future", pa da vidimo kakva ce igra biti. Quote ----------------- nema vise zezanja A.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myst Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Misterija je rešena kada smo videli ko je otkupio licencu. Quote Screw You Guys, I'm Going Home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crno-Sunce Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 [voodoo]ALI BETASEDA JE DO JAJA I OBLIVIJON JE DO JAJA I NEMOJTE DA PLJUJETE OVO JE FALLOUT KOJI NIJE DO JAJA ALI OBLIVIJON JE DO JAJA[/voodoo] :) Quote If there's some higher power that controls my fate, i would like to meet him, shake his hand, then crack open his ribcage and tear out his heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 lol. Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo_ Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Sećate se Fallout kućišta iz Sveta Kompjutera? http://bethblog.com/index.php/2007/07/10/t...-under-my-desk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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