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posto bi sa 20k mogao da se pocne solo ludnica zivot ?

pa nije to rekao, aj budimo objektivni i procitajmo :)

rekao je da neki biraju da ne rade i zive sa svojima, umesto da rade za 20k i zive sa svojima.

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Iz kog god razloga, neki ljudi nikad nece da idu odavde u Nemacku ili bilo koju drugu zemlju. Ima gomila doktora, inzenjera, IT strucnjaka koji bi bez problema mogli da se usele u bilo koju zemlju koju izaberu, pa to ne ucine. Nema to veze ni sa lenoscu ni sa strahom cak. Jednostavno je tako. Meni se uvek cini da je to zadnja opcija i da svakako nije pocetni predlog kako da se resi necija situacija. 

 

@Dule_smor Ne znam nikoga ko mlati hiljade eura da ne radi kao konj. Oni koji zaradjuju te pare i lade muda sigurno kradu a o takvima nemam sta ni da razmisljam - nismo iz iste price - tako da bih i tebi preporucio isto. Misli o sebi i sta zelis u zivotu i ka tome se kreci. Ne napredujes kao doktor opste prakse a znas za neku kombinaciju koja bi ti donosila vise zadovoljstva i para? Idi brate - samo nemoj da se rukovodis strahom. Supruga i ja samo imali te razgovore pre par godina. Ona asistent matematike i racunarstva za 36k mesecno. Pa jebem ti taj setup. 

 

Mislim da je veoma vazno da sebe stavljas u zivotne situacije koje te teraju da ides napred. To je mozda dobar savet i za osnovnu temu ovog topica i za naseg lekara. Nije poenta ni plata koju dobijate ni posao koji radite vec da se stavite u situaciju koja vas tera da razmisljate i delate da bi vam bilo bolje. Ti ces radeci za 20k da vidis druge kako rade za 40k i da se trudis da do toga dodjes sto pre, a nas doktor ce da iznajmi gajbu za 100E i putuje na posao 2 sata i jede kokice ne zato sto voli nego zato sto ce onda morati da razmislja kako da unapredi svoju situaciju. Pre ili kasnije status quo uvek ispadne najgore resenje.

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Iz kog god razloga, neki ljudi nikad nece da idu odavde u Nemacku ili bilo koju drugu zemlju. Ima gomila doktora, inzenjera, IT strucnjaka koji bi bez problema mogli da se usele u bilo koju zemlju koju izaberu, pa to ne ucine. Nema to veze ni sa lenoscu ni sa strahom cak. Jednostavno je tako. Meni se uvek cini da je to zadnja opcija i da svakako nije pocetni predlog kako da se resi necija situacija. 

 

@Dule_smor Ne znam nikoga ko mlati hiljade eura da ne radi kao konj. Oni koji zaradjuju te pare i lade muda sigurno kradu a o takvima nemam sta ni da razmisljam - nismo iz iste price - tako da bih i tebi preporucio isto. Misli o sebi i sta zelis u zivotu i ka tome se kreci. Ne napredujes kao doktor opste prakse a znas za neku kombinaciju koja bi ti donosila vise zadovoljstva i para? Idi brate - samo nemoj da se rukovodis strahom. Supruga i ja samo imali te razgovore pre par godina. Ona asistent matematike i racunarstva za 36k mesecno. Pa jebem ti taj setup. 

 

Mislim da je veoma vazno da sebe stavljas u zivotne situacije koje te teraju da ides napred. To je mozda dobar savet i za osnovnu temu ovog topica i za naseg lekara. Nije poenta ni plata koju dobijate ni posao koji radite vec da se stavite u situaciju koja vas tera da razmisljate i delate da bi vam bilo bolje. Ti ces radeci za 20k da vidis druge kako rade za 40k i da se trudis da do toga dodjes sto pre, a nas doktor ce da iznajmi gajbu za 100E i putuje na posao 2 sata i jede kokice ne zato sto voli nego zato sto ce onda morati da razmislja kako da unapredi svoju situaciju. Pre ili kasnije status quo uvek ispadne najgore resenje.

 

U pravu si uglavnom, ali jebiga. Covek krece sa setupom da ce mu biti dovoljno da zavrsi jedan od najtezih fakulteta da bi ziveo normalno cak i u nasoj zemlji. Tako je naucen od mladosti i ulaze trud u faks ocekujuci da ce raditi ono sto voli, dobiti normalnu specijalizaciju, imati dobru platu, da ce ga postovati i ceniti na poslu, a ne pljuvati pacijenti. I onda kad pocne da stazira shvati da nista nije tako vec obrnuto. Da se ne lazemo, on je u to sumnjao i ranije, ali je ipak postojala nada da nece biti tako. I posle tolikih godina takvog setupa tesko je promeniti pristup svemu i prelomiti da se definitivno ide iz ove zemlje. Sto vreme odmice to je teze, racuna covek, eto imam 3-4 godine staza ovde, znaju me ljudi, mozda i dobijem neku ok specijalizaciju, ne mora bas ono sto sam zeleo. A ako prelomi i ode, sve to ce baciti u vodu, da ne pominjem drugove, prijatelje, porodicu. Znam da je takvo razmisljanje verovatno pogresno, ali jebiga opet.Plus jezik, nemacki koji nikad nisam ucio u zivotu, jebo ih francuski kao drugi u srednjoj. I tu sam pogresio, trebalo je da pocnem jos na stazu da ucim jezik, sad bih vec spikao kao pravi shvaba. A ovako mi treba jos 2 godine za taj b2/c1 nivo i dok odem tamo i dobijem specijalizaciju vec cu biti mator. Mada ni to nije tacno, bolje tamo covek da dobije specijalizaciju sa 35, nego ovde sa 35. I eto, ne znam sto sam ovo napisao i iskukao, Bole ce reci zato sto sam malena sisica! :D

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vredi dule iscimati se ko ima volje, zelje i moze finansijski to da pokrije.

nama je otislo jedno 2 godine i brat bratu 7000-8000e kad se sabere stosta... pocetna klot plata za specijalizanta bez dezurstva itd je 1200-1300e neto.. sa dezurstvima jos 200-400e .. kao specijalista bar 2000e se nakupi svaki mesec.. 

pa ti na to dodaj nemacki koeficijent plata i jako brzo se isplati sve zivo ;)

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Pa ne mora ako se ide neki intenzivniji kurs, pitanje je dal mogu to da postignem. Samo sto tamo ugovor ide na odredjeno tipa dok ne isplatis spec, posle ti ne garantuju da ostajes da radis kod njih, makar sam tako razumeo. A ovo Vuduovo za kredite bi bilo super, stalno uzimas po neki kredit da ne mogu da te otpuste nikad:)

 

Al opet ne znam, meni je nesigurno da recimo odbijem ovde specijalizaciju medicine rada koju mozda i mogu da dobijem zarad toga da bi za dve godine isao u Nemacku i nadao se da ce tamo da ispadne sve super. a i ovo sto dzanki kaze, treba sigurno preko 5k evra za svu tu rabotu.

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ovde si u obavezi da radis za ustanovu koja te salje na specijalizaciju onoliko godina koliko je trajala specijalizacija... ako ti ne srede posao po zavrsetku specijalizacije si slobodan da radis sta hoces.. to je vise da ne bi recimo ovde zavrsio spec, oni ti placaju 5 godina i onda odmah zapalis za norvesku i sl gde ti vazi doticna.

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Takodje sam cuo da u Nemackoj ne mos dobitii otkaz ako si u kreditima, ne znam jel tacno

ma lol, ofc da nije. mislim valjda nije?

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Ne znam, nemam druge informacije. Možda ima neka kvaka da moraš biti u sindikatu ili da si "pri državi" itd, verovatno ne važi za divlje startapove i slično.

 

Mada više me ništa ne čudi tamo. Ovi Nemci s kojima sarađujemo, kad su ih kupili Ameri pre koji mesec i krenulo restrukturiranje, neki tamo šef se žalio kako je proveo dve nedelje u pregovorima sa RADNIČKIM SAVETOM lol oko novih uslova rada, dakle totalno druga priča u odnosu na npr. Ameriku gde pršte otkazi čim se nekom digne.

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Pa ne mora ako se ide neki intenzivniji kurs, pitanje je dal mogu to da postignem. Samo sto tamo ugovor ide na odredjeno tipa dok ne isplatis spec, posle ti ne garantuju da ostajes da radis kod njih, makar sam tako razumeo. A ovo Vuduovo za kredite bi bilo super, stalno uzimas po neki kredit da ne mogu da te otpuste nikad:)

 

Al opet ne znam, meni je nesigurno da recimo odbijem ovde specijalizaciju medicine rada koju mozda i mogu da dobijem zarad toga da bi za dve godine isao u Nemacku i nadao se da ce tamo da ispadne sve super. a i ovo sto dzanki kaze, treba sigurno preko 5k evra za svu tu rabotu.

Samo izgovori. Lekari su svuda trazena roba. Nije pitanje da li mozes, vec da li hoces. 

 

edit: Mrzi me da trazim topik za emigraciju pa evo ovde novi info za Kanadu:

 

  The Province of Nova Scotia has created a new immigration option for aspiring permanent residents called the Regional Labour Market Demand Stream. This stream, which is administered under the Nova Scotia Nominee Program (NSNP), is particularly exciting because individuals do not need a job offer in Canada to apply.
The Regional Labour Market Demand Stream was announced in early March, and began considering applications on March 6, 2014. Through this stream, Nova Scotia immigration officials are able to select individuals with skills and experience that are in-demand in the province.
Eligibility Requirements for the Regional Labour Market Demand Stream
In order to be eligible for this stream, applicants must meet the following criteria:
  • Be between the ages of 21 and 55;
  • Meet minimum language proficiency requirements;
  • Have at least two years of continuous full-time work experience within the past five years in an eligible occupation*;
  • Intend to work in an eligible occupation;
  • Be legally residing in current country of residence;
  • Have sufficient funds for settlement in Nova Scotia;
  • Have at least a high school level of education and a degree, diploma, or certificate from a post-secondary institution;
    • Completed post-secondary program must be at least one year in length
  • Demonstrate intent to live in Nova Scotia and ability to become economically established in the province;
  • Complete an Employment Settlement Plan; and
  • Attend an interview, if required.
*The NSNP has listed 43 eligible occupations. The list includes, but is not limited to, occupations in the following fields: engineering, health services (including nursing), skilled trades, and food service.
The following occupations are currently designated as in-demand and thus eligible for this program:
  • Managers in Health Care
  • Retail and wholesale trade managers
  • Restaurant and Food Service Managers
  • Financial Auditors and Accountants
  • Other Financial Officers
  • Civil Engineers
  • Mechanical Engineers
  • Electrical and Electronics Engineers
  • Computer Engineers (Except Software Engineers and Designers)
  • Information Systems Analysts and Consultants
  • Database Analysts and Data Administrators
  • Software Engineers and Designers
  • Computer Programmers and Interactive Media Developers
  • Mechanical Engineering Technologists and Technicians
  • Electrical and Electronics Engineering Technologists and Technicians
  • Information systems testing technicians
  • Specialist Physicians
  • General Practitioners and Family Physicians
  • Dentists
  • Pharmacists
  • Audiologists and Speech-Language Pathologists
  • Physiotherapists
  • Occupational Therapists
  • Registered nurses and registered psychiatric nurses
  • Medical Laboratory Technologists
  • Respiratory Therapists, Clinical Perfusionists and Cardiopulmonary Technologists
  • Medical Radiation Technologists
  • Medical Sonographers
  • Licensed Practical Nurses
  • Other technical occupations in therapy and assessment
  • Psychologists
  • Early Childhood Educators and Assistants
  • Retail Trade Supervisors
  • Chefs
  • Cooks
  • Contractors and supervisors, machining, metal forming, shaping and erecting trades and related occupations
  • Machinists and Machining and Tooling Inspectors
  • Industrial Electricians
  • Welders and related machine operator
  • Heavy-Duty Equipment Mechanics
  • Automotive service technicians, truck and bus mechanics and mechanical repairers
  • Crane Operators
  • Supervisors, Other Mechanical and Metal Products Manufacturing
 
The Settlement Plan
For this stream, applicants must complete an Employment Settlement Plan, which is provided by the NSNP. The settlement plan requires applicants to answer questions on the following topics:
  • Intended occupation in Nova Scotia;
  • Reasons for choosing Nova Scotia; and
  • Where they wish to settle and why.
By answering these questions, applicants demonstrate their desire to live in Nova Scotia as well as their readiness to quickly settle into their new homes.
The Application Process
Like other Provincial Nominee Programs (PNPs), obtaining a permanent resident visa through the NSNP is a two-step process.
First, applicants must apply to the NSNP for provincial approval. For the Regional Labour Market Demand Stream, the NSNP has stated that processing times may be up to one month or more depending on the volume of applications received and the time required to assess the application documents. Nomination under the NSNP is solely at the discretion of the Nova Scotia Office of Immigration. Desirable applicants are then selected by the province and issued a Provincial Nomination Certificate. The overall application, including the Provincial Nomination Certificate, must then be approved by the Federal government.
In the second step of the process, the Federal government assesses an applicant’s admissibility with respect to medical and security/criminality concerns. The final authority rests with the Federal government, who is ultimately responsible for granting Canadian permanent resident status.
What This Means for Applicants
The Regional Labour Market Demand Stream is a chance for individuals to immigrate to one of Canada’s most economically and culturally dynamic provinces.
According to experts, many prospective immigrants possess valuable skills and experience that are needed in Canada. However, due to the gradual restriction of some immigration programs, many have not yet been successful in obtaining Canadian Permanent Residency.
“In recent years, many if not most new Canadian immigration programs require that individuals first obtain a job offer in Canada in order to be eligible to apply,” . “The fact that this new stream does not require a job offer is likely to generate large amounts of interest.”
At the moment there is no deadline for submission of applications. However, the NSNP notes that this can change at any time.
To find out if you are eligible for the NSNP, or any of over 60 Canadian immigration programs, please fill out a free online assessment today.
 

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