emina_cura_fina Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 hvala, ostavicu to za neki drugi put... Quote slatka mala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debeli Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 samo se ti dobro pripremi, RUR ne zuri nigde. gledao sam juce, prekjuce, na pinkdnevniku neku bivsu pajdomanku koja je zakacila preko igle. i onaj izlapeli Kovac je nesto kao pita i ona kao nesto odgovara. jebes dan za bilo sta... bedni umirivac savesti. svaki je dan za sve. Quote MORTALIS HOMO AURA PER KHARONE SERVAStyle over subsistenceCrown of Light. Keeper of The Yoda Chamber. I&I, Righteous Army of One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 shto si bash danas kupovao,imao si na trgu milion za dzabe.svih boja i velicina.i maraka(marki) ebga kad nisam u bgu :) kod mene se delili samo oni romed il tako nesto... pffuj ... durex rulez :P Quote    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zEki Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 80% ljudi u Srbijij se intravenski zarazi, preko igle, a 20% su fagoti i taj krug ljudi. A o teoriji zavere necu ni da pricam. Sida i virus Hiv su jedno od najuspesnijih virusa napravljenih od strane coveka, a moze biti i vanzemaljaca. Truth is out there ;) Quote V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 w00t Molder 4tw Ja cuo da ima preko 15 hiljada zarazenih, a verovatno 3 puta toliko ne prijavljenih. Idi bre u pershun, ja bez kondoma ne jebem NIKAD vishe! :D Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
`Dr. Nick Riviera` Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Ima neshto vishe od 2k regovanih sluchajeva kod nas, a procenjuje se da je realna brojka izmedju 15 i 20k... ;) www.jazas.org.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De1Rekt0n Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 80% ljudi u Srbijij se intravenski zarazi, preko igle, a 20% su fagoti i taj krug ljudi. A o teoriji zavere necu ni da pricam. Sida i virus Hiv su jedno od najuspesnijih virusa napravljenih od strane coveka, a moze biti i vanzemaljaca. Truth is out there ;) Jedini problem je sto retroaktivni virus HIV je samo propratni efekat side, ne sida nije napravljena od strane coveka, a zasto se pojavila bas sad, pa pojavila se zbog pojacanog konzumiranja narkotika, uzmi skalu koja pokazuje uzimanje narkotickih sredstava i skalu broja zarazenih od HIVa pa ces videti da su skale identicne. A zasto je 80% muskaraca zarazenih HIVom gay populacije je zato sto obicno gay kultura koristi popers i slicna narkoticka sredstva, zapravo vecina naucnika smatra da narkotici prouzrokuju sidu, zato uzimanjem jakih narkotika za ubijanje HIVa efekat se samo pojacava. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debeli Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 e sad se bas prosra! Quote MORTALIS HOMO AURA PER KHARONE SERVAStyle over subsistenceCrown of Light. Keeper of The Yoda Chamber. I&I, Righteous Army of One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De1Rekt0n Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) E moj Drale, procitaj http://ourcivilisation.com/aids/not/index.htm The HIV-hypothesis states that HIV cause AIDS by killing the CD4+ T cells directly or indirectly (Fauci, et al., 1998). It appears that there is no scientific evidence to show that HIV can kill infected T4 cells (CD4+ T cells) in vitro or in vivo. In addition, the abnormalities in the immune system of patients with AIDS are not restricted to the reduction of T4 cells as predicted by the HIV-hypothesis. Hoxie et al. (1985) observed no evidence of death in T cells infected with HIV in tissue culture. These cells continued to produce virus particles for more than four months after inoculation with the virus. Many reports describe the changes in the lymph nodes of patients infected with HIV and these changes range from extensive cellular hyperplasia of T and B lymphocytes and the supporting stroma to severe atrophy of the glands. Changes in the lymph nodes of 505 HIV infected patients who were asymptomatic or had AIDS demonstrate three distinct stages. These are hyperplasia (245 patients), atrophy (117 patients), and mixed stage (172 patients) (Al-Bayati, 1999). The presence of hyperplasia in the infected lymph nodes contradicts the HIV-hypothesis which states HIV destroys infected T cells (Gallo, 1987; Fauci et al., 1998) . Ja inace nisam zagovornik nekih teorija zavere ali ako procitas i jednu i drugu stranu, malo proucis kako sve to funkcionise shvatices da nema puno smisla da HIV zaista prouzrokuje AIDS, no naravno ja ne tvrdim da je to 100% tako, vec iznosim moje misljenje koje se stvorilo na osnovu logickog razmisljanja i naucnog pogleda na datu stvar, po meni nema nekog naucnog i logickog objasnjenja zasto je HIV uzrok AIDSA, mnogo lakse mogu da poverujem da je ovo u pitanju, zasto side nije bilo pre 2000 godina, stvorena u laboratoriji? AIDS je jako komplikovana stvar, ne moze se to tek tako stvoriti u laboratoriji, nije AIDS jedan virus da ga mozes stvoriti tek tako, tako da je, po misljenju naucnika, prakticno nemoguce stvoriti nesto kao sto je AIDS. Abstract Review of the medical literature concerning the causes and the pathogenesis of AIDS worldwide revealed the following facts: 1) AIDS in drug users and homosexuals in the USA and Europe is probably caused by the heavy ancillary use of glucocorticoids and other immunosuppressive agents to medically treat the wide range of the chronic serious illnesses. 2) AIDS in hemophiliacs is clearly related to the use of corticosteroids and other immunosuppressive agents to prevent the development of antibodies for factors VIII and IX and to treat chronic illnesses. 3) AIDS in people receiving blood and/or tissue is related to the use of glucocorticoids to prevent reactions of transfusion and tissue rejection. 4) AIDS in infants and children is probably caused by their exposure to drugs and corticosteroids in utero and their exposure to corticosteroids after birth used to treat their chronic illnesses. 5) AIDS in Africa is caused by malnutrition, release of endogenous cortisol, and by opportunistic diseases. Atrophy in the lymphoid tissue has been observed in HIV-negative people suffering from malnutrition. 6) Damage to the immune system is rapidly reversible after removal of the true insulting agent or treatment of the true causes in both HIV-positive and HIV-negative AIDS patients. 7) Kaposi's sarcoma (KS) and lymphoma are probably induced by the use of steroids and drugs, and the release of endogenous cortisol. 8) HIV appears to be a harmless virus both in the in vivo and the in vitro settings. 9) The uses of glucocorticoids, AZT, and protease inhibitors to treat AIDS are contraindicated. Edited December 5, 2006 by De1Rekt0n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debeli Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) dece radi... HIV je virus ljudske imunodeficijencije. SIDA je sindrom stecenog gubitka imuniteta. HIV izaziva SIDU unistavajuci celije imunog sistema coveka. simptome SIDE moze izazvati i bilo sta drugo (slaba ishrana, droge, otrovi...) sto slabi odbrambeni mehanizam coveka. ali se ti simptomi mogu izleciti. kad neko ima HIV on je zarazen i izvesno je da ce se razboleti. za njih jos nisu nasli nacin da ih izlece. edit> ali 8) HIV appears to be a harmless virus both in the in vivo and the in vitro settings. jebote... Edited December 5, 2006 by Ignis Dei Quote MORTALIS HOMO AURA PER KHARONE SERVAStyle over subsistenceCrown of Light. Keeper of The Yoda Chamber. I&I, Righteous Army of One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De1Rekt0n Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Drale procitaj sve sa onog sajta pa razmisli malo :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 a taj sajt je izvor vecne mudrosti? Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debeli Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 jao bre Dei, pa jesi li ti posandrcao?!?! a sta je onda HIV? kao dodju liku i kazu mu "znas ti si pozitivan", i onda se on smori, kao 'jao, ima da umrem', otpise se psihicki, na energetskom planu mu se pozatvaraju neke chakre, i padne mu imunitet i umre od prehlade... Quote MORTALIS HOMO AURA PER KHARONE SERVAStyle over subsistenceCrown of Light. Keeper of The Yoda Chamber. I&I, Righteous Army of One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De1Rekt0n Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Nisam to rekao, ali valja procitati i pogledati nesto sto govori suprotno pa bazirati misljenje na osnovu svega, lose je kad se misljenje bazira samo na jednom izvoru. jao bre Dei, pa jesi li ti posandrcao?!?! a sta je onda HIV? kao dodju liku i kazu mu "znas ti si pozitivan", i onda se on smori, kao 'jao, ima da umrem', otpise se psihicki, na energetskom planu mu se pozatvaraju neke chakre, i padne mu imunitet i umre od prehlade... Nisam posandrcao bre, rekao sam ti da procitas sve, jer si procitao samo neke stvari koje vadis is konteksta i izvrces naopacke, procitaj sve, govori se o tome da HIV nije uzrok side, vec samo propratni efekat istog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debeli Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) ma lepo je imati otvoren um, ali ovo da je HIV bezopasan je bas smesno... edit> ama procitao sam, ali sve to nema veze sa zivotom, kao HIV je indikator da ces da umres, ubio te tezak zivot... Edited December 5, 2006 by Ignis Dei Quote MORTALIS HOMO AURA PER KHARONE SERVAStyle over subsistenceCrown of Light. Keeper of The Yoda Chamber. I&I, Righteous Army of One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rev Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) hteli su da kazhu da je hiv kao virus bezopasan (u smislu da ti nisi niodchega bolestan) sve dok se iz samog hiv virusa ne razvije aids iliti sida. takodje sa hivom se mozhe zhiveti i vishe od 15 godina a razvojom novih lekova to vreme se josh vishe produzhava. pricham o stadiumu dok se sida josh nije razvila, dakle osoba je zarazhena virusom ali nije obolela. Edited December 5, 2006 by rev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De1Rekt0n Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) Svi lekovi koji "lece" sidu bazirani su na unistavanju HIV virusa, sto je sasvim pogresno jer HIV ne izaziva sidu vec kao sto je receno je samo propratni efekat istog, bila je neka studija da se koriscenjem jakih lekova za unistavanje HIVa sida brze razvija, a problem je sto ovi iz jazasa govore kako je HIV uzrok side i kako sam retroaktivni virus HIVa stvara sidu, sto je pogresno. Ovo naravno sve uzimam sa rezervom da mozda i nisam u pravu, ali mi to deluje najlogicnije, cela borba protiv AIDSA se vodi pogresno, mozda cak i postoji nacin da se nadje lek protiv AIDSA ali farmaceutske kompanije mnogo vise para zaradjuju ovako, tako da ne zele da vode istrazivanje koje bi pokusalo da ustanovi sta je stvarno uzrok AIDSA i kako se i da li se moze izleciti. Edited December 5, 2006 by De1Rekt0n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rev Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) ok, oni su svi budale a ti si najpametniji. edit: tek sad videh da si se delimichno ogradio ali opet mislim da nisi upravu. Edited December 5, 2006 by rev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De1Rekt0n Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Ne kazem da sam u pravu ali valja pogledati i drugu stranu, zagovaraci teorije da HIV ne prouzrokuje AIDS imaju veoma cvrste dokaze na kojima lezi ta teorija sto se ne bi moglo bas reci na ove koji govore da je HIV uzrok AIDSA, da je HIV uzrok AIDSA, isti bi bio izleciv zar ne? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 E pa meni vishe nishta nije jasno. Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rev Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 opushteno brate, samo koristi kurton :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 To sam bash i kontao :D Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4ts0 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Znaci kad se neko bode u venu da stavi kurton i siguran je? A jel moze da se zatrudni preko najlon-carapa? Daj jel ima neko taj scan, mislim da je vec kaceno ovde. Quote You may have gone to Cambridge, but I'm an honorary graduate of Starfleet Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debeli Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) jao ljudi... ne ubija HIV, ubijaju "oportunisticke bolesti", bolesti koje inace ne bi dovele do smrtnog ishoda, jer bi ih sjebao imuni sistem coveka. to su virusi i bakterije koje stalno zive u organizmu, ili je organizam cesto njima izlozen, ali koji su bezopasni inace, jer su pod kontrolom leukocita. virusi i bakterije koji izazivaju bolesti kao sto su prehlada, grip, razne infekcije... HIV je jedini virus koji, ne samo da je potpuno otporan na leukocite, vec ih jos i unistava, otvarajuci put ostalima da te dokrajce. sa te strane je "bezopasan", jer ne izaziva direktan uzrok smrti. poznato je da se HIV prenosi iskljucivo putem telesnih tecnosti, kao i da je skoro potpuno neotporan na spoljno okruzenje. jeste li imali vi biologiju ikada? znate li kako funkcionisu virusi i leukociti? Koleeeeeeeeee, baci nesto ovde, ja sam samo bankar... edit> tamo kaze da su leukociti bili zivi 4 meseca posle inficiranja i da su proizvodili nove viruse. pa ako se uzme da je prosecni period inkubacije 10 godina, o cemu mi dalje pricamo? Edited December 5, 2006 by Ignis Dei Quote MORTALIS HOMO AURA PER KHARONE SERVAStyle over subsistenceCrown of Light. Keeper of The Yoda Chamber. I&I, Righteous Army of One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo_ Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Ne znaju ljudi ni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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