Dule_smor Posted August 6, 2013 Report Share Posted August 6, 2013 68. godisnjica atomskog bombardovanja hirosime, rip http://www.voanews.com/content/japan-marks-68th-anniversary-of-hiroshima-nuclear-bombing/1724114.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brue Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 The Hiroshima Myth. Unaccountable War Crimes and the Lies of US Military History By Dr. Gary G. Kohls Global Research, July 31, 2013 Region: Asia Theme: Crimes against Humanity In-depth Report: Nuclear War This coming Tuesday, August 6, 2013, is the 68th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima, the whole truth of which has been heavily censored and mythologized ever since war-weary Americans celebrated V-J Day 10 days later. In the pitiful history lessons that were taught by my uninspired/bored history teachers (which seemed to be mostly jocks) came from patriotic and highly censored books where everything the British and US military ever did in war time was honorable and self-sacrificing and everything their opponents did was barbaric. Everybody in my graduating class of 26 swallowed the post-war propaganda in our history books. It was from these books that we learned about the “glorious” end of the war against Japan. Of course, I now know that I had been given false information, orchestrated by war-justifying militarists (and assorted uber-patiotic historians) starting with General Douglas MacArthur. MacArthur successfully imposed total censorship of what really happened at Ground Zero. One of his first acts after taking over as viceroy of Japan was to confiscate and/or destroy all the photographic evidence documenting the horrors of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Back in 1995, the Smithsonian Institution was preparing to correct some the 50-year-old pseudo-patriotic myths by staging an honest, historically-accurate display dealing with the atomic bombings. Following the vehement, orchestrated, reactionary outrage emanating from right-wing veterans groups and other patriot groups (including Newt Gingrich’s GOP-dominated Congress that threatened to stop federal funding of the Institute), the Smithsonian was forced to censor-out all of the unwelcome but contextually important parts of the story. So again we had another example of politically-motivated groups heavily altering real history because they were afraid of revealing “unpatriotic” historical truths that might shake the confidence of average Americans in our leaders, sort of like the near-total media black-out about the controlled demolitions of the three World Trade Center buildings on 9/11/01 that killed thousands of innocent people and unleashed the dogs of war against innocents in Afghanistan (explore www.ae911truth.org for the documentation of that assertion). Nagasaki on August 9, 1945 The Smithsonian historians did have a gun to their heads, of course, but in the melee, the corporate-controlled mainstream media – and therefore the public – failed to learn an important historical point, and that is this: The war could have ended in the spring of 1945 without the summer atomic bombs, and therefore there might have been no Okinawa bloodbath for thousands of American Marines and soldiers. Also there would have been no need for an American land invasion of Japan – the basis of the subsequent propaganda campaign that justified the use of atomic weapons on defenseless civilian populations and meets the definition of an international war crime and a crime against humanity. American intelligence, with the full knowledge of President Truman’s administration, was aware of Japan’s desperate search for ways to honorably surrender months before Truman gave the fateful order to incinerate Hiroshima. Intelligence data, revealed in the 1980s, showed that the contingency plans for a large-scale US invasion (planned for no sooner than November 1, 1945) would have been unnecessary. Japan was working on peace negotiations through its Moscow ambassador as early as April of 1945. Truman knew of these developments because the US had broken the Japanese code years earlier, and all of Japan’s military and diplomatic messages were being intercepted. On July 13, 1945, Foreign Minister Togo said: “Unconditional surrender (giving up all sovereignty, especially deposing the Emperor) is the only obstacle to peace.” Truman and his advisors knew about these efforts, and the war could have ended through diplomacy by simply conceding a post-war figurehead position for the emperor Hirohito – who was regarded as a deity in Japan. That reasonable concession was – seemingly illogically – refused by the US in their demands for unconditional surrender, initially demanded at the 1943 Casablanca Conference between Roosevelt and Churchill and reiterated at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill and Stalin. Still, the Japanese continued searching for an honorable peace through negotiations. Even Secretary of War Henry Stimson, said: “the true question was not whether surrender could have been achieved without the use of the bomb but whether a different diplomatic and military course would have led to an earlier surrender. A large segment of the Japanese cabinet was ready in the spring of 1945 to accept substantially the same terms as those finally agreed on.” In other words, Stimson felt that the US had unnecessarily prolonged the war. After Japan did surrender, MacArthur allowed the emperor to remain in place as spiritual head of Japan, the very condition that coerced the Japanese leadership to refuse to accept the humiliating “unconditional surrender” terms. So the two essential questions that need answering to comprehend what was going on behind the scenes are these: 1) Why did the US refuse to accept Japan’s only demand concerning their surrender (the retention of the emperor) and 2) why were the atomic bombs used when victory in the Pacific was already a certainty? Shortly after WWII, military analyst Hanson Baldwin wrote: Admiral William Leahy, top military aide to President Truman, said in his war memoirs, I Was There: “The Japanese, in a military sense, were in a hopeless strategic situation by the time the Potsdam Declaration (insisting on Japan’s unconditional surrender) was made on July 26, 1945.” And General Dwight D. Eisenhower, in a personal visit to President Truman a couple of weeks before the bombings, urged him not to use the atomic bombs. Eisenhower said (in a 1963 interview in Newsweek): “It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons. My own feeling is that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.” There are a number of factors that contributed to the Truman administration’s decision to use the bombs. “It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting [negotiations], was a double crime.” 1) The US had made a huge investment in time, mind and money (a massive 2 billion in 1940 dollars) to produce three bombs, and there was no inclination – and no guts – to stop the momentum. 2) The US military and political leadership – as did many ordinary Americans – had a tremendous appetite for revenge because of Pearl Harbor. Mercy wasn’t in the mindset of the US military or the war-weary populace, and the missions against Hiroshima and Nagasaki were accepted – no questions asked – by most of those folks who only knew the sanitized, national security version of events. 3) The fissionable material in Hiroshima’s bomb was uranium. The Nagasaki bomb was a plutonium bomb. Scientific curiosity was a significant factor that pushed the project to its completion. The Manhattan Project scientists (and the US Army director of the project, General Leslie Groves) were curious about “what would happen if an entire city was leveled by a single uranium bomb?” “What about a plutonium bomb?” The decision to use both bombs had been made well in advance of August 1945. Accepting the surrender of Japan was not an option if the science experiment was to go ahead. Of course the three-day interval between the two bombs was unconscionably short if the Hiroshima bomb was designed to coerce immediate surrender. Japan’s communications and transportation capabilities were in shambles, and no one, not even the US military, much less the Japanese high command, fully understood what had happened at Hiroshima. (The Manhattan Project was so top secret that even Douglas MacArthur, commanding general of the entire Pacific theatre, had been kept out of the loop until five days before Hiroshima.) 4) The Russians had proclaimed their intent to enter the war with Japan 90 days after V-E Day (Victory in Europe Day, May 8), which would have been Aug. 8, two days after Hiroshima was bombed. Indeed, Russia did declare war on Japan on August 8 and was advancing eastward across Manchuria when Nagasaki was incinerated. The US didn’t want Japan surrendering to Russia or sharing the spoils of war. Russia was soon to be the only other superpower – and a future enemy – so the first nuclear threat “messages” of the Cold War were sent. Russia indeed received far less of the spoils of war than they had anticipated, and the two superpowers were instantly mired in the Cold War stalemate that led to the unaffordable nuclear arms race and the possibility of total extinction of the human race. What did happen was the mutual moral and financial bankruptcies of both nations that occurred over the next couple of generations of military madness. An estimated 80,000 innocent civilians, plus 20,000 weaponless young Japanese conscripts died instantly in the Hiroshima bombing. Hundreds of thousands more suffered slow deaths from agonizing burns, radiation sickness, leukemias, anemias and untreatable infections for the rest of their shortened lives. Generations of the survivor’s progeny were also afflicted with horrible radiation-induced illnesses, cancers and premature deaths, still going on to this very hour. Another shameful reality that has been covered up is the fact that 12 American Navy pilots, their existence well known to the US command, were instantly incinerated in the Hiroshima jail on the fateful day So the official War Department-approved version of the end of the war in the Pacific contained a new batch of myths that took their places among the long lists of myths that Americans are continuously fed by our corporate, military, political and media opinion leaders, the gruesomeness of war being changed to glorification in the process. Among the other censored out realities include what really happened in the US military invasions and occupations of the countries of North Korea, Iran, Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, the Philippines, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Colombia, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, etc. This list doesn’t cover the uncountable secret Pentagon/CIA covert operations and assassination plots in the rest of the world, where as many as150 nations contain American military bases (permission lavishly paid for by bribery or threats of economic sanctions). But somehow most of us still hang on to our shaky “my country right or wrong” patriotism, desperately wanting to believe the cunningly-orchestrated myths that say that the war-profiteering multibillionaire corporate elite (and their politicians, military leaders and media talking heads who are in their employ) only work for peace, justice, equality, liberty and “making the world safe” for predatory capitalism. While it is true that the US military has faced down the occasional despot, with necessary sacrifice from dead and mortally-wounded (in body, mind and spirit) American soldiers and veterans, more often than not the rationalization for going to war are the same as those of the “godless communists”, the anti-American “insurgents” and “freedom fighters” who want to convince us Yankees to just go home where we belong. August 6 and 9, 1945 are just two more examples of the brain-washing that goes on in all “total war” political agendas, which are always accompanied by the inevitable human slaughter that is euphemistically labeled “collateral damage” or “friendly fire”. It might already be too late to rescue and resuscitate the humanitarian, peacemaking America that we used to know and love. It might be too late to effectively confront the corporate hijacking of liberal democracy in America. It might be too late to successfully bring down the arrogant and greedy ruling elites who are selfishly dragging our world down the road to our destruction. The rolling coup d’etat of what I call Friendly American Fascism may have already accomplished its goals. But there may still be some hope. Rather than being silent about the wars that the war-mongers are provoking all over the planet (with the very willing assistance of the Pentagon, the weapons industry and their lapdogs in Congress), people of conscience need to start learning the whole truth of history, despite the discomfort we will feel (cognitive dissonance) when the truth can’t be ignored any more. We need to start owning up to America’s uncountable war crimes that have been orchestrated in our names. And then we need to go to the streets, publicly protesting and courageously refusing to cooperate with those who are transforming America into a criminal rogue nation that will eventually be targeted for downfall by its billions of suffering victims outside our borders, similar to what happened to Nazi Germany and Fascist Japan. Doing what is right for the whole of humanity for a change, rather than just doing what is profitable or advantageous for our over-privileged, over-consumptive and unsustainable American way of life, would be real honor, real patriotism and an essential start toward real peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstorm Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) Poslednja dva pasusa, iako ne bi urodila plodom bilo bi lepo za videti :). Naravno to se nikad nece desiti. I da, zar je moguce da su toliko brainwashovani da ne mogu da razmisle svojom glavom i zakljuce da "stvarno nije uredu sto su stotine hiljada neduznih poginuli od strane njihove vojske" i da gde god da odu da se ne bore za mir u svetu? Edited August 12, 2013 by Thunderstorm Quote It’s better to burn out than to fade away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manson Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 (edited) mada opet, da mi nisu roknuli nuklearke, rat bi trajao i dalje, tipa i dan danas :) ludi japanci se nikad ne bi predali, ovi bi ih bombardovali do kamenog doba, pa bi verovatno svi na kraju izginulida ne proveravam sada, zar nije vise ljudi poginulu u japanu od bombardovanja napalmom (zapaljivim bombama, kako vec) nego u ova dva nuklerana udaraa moguce da bi im rusi bacili atomku za neku godinu da ameri nisu, ili bi mozda bas car bombu testirali na japancimanije da opravdavam amere, ali opet, tada se drugacije razmisljalo, kapiram da posle 5+ godina rata, svi su hteli da se zavrsi sto pre, a morali su da razmisljaju i o sukobu sa rusima koji je pocinjao Edited August 12, 2013 by manson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarcaS take 2 Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 Poslednja dva pasusa, iako ne bi urodila plodom bilo bi lepo za videti :). Naravno to se nikad nece desiti. I da, zar je moguce da su toliko brainwashovani da ne mogu da razmisle svojom glavom i zakljuce da "stvarno nije uredu sto su stotine hiljada neduznih poginuli od strane njihove vojske" i da gde god da odu da se ne bore za mir u svetu? Da li si ovo zaista pitao ili je bilo retoricki? :D Quote https://www.g2a.com/r/barcas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 wow koliko dugo nisam bio na ovom topicu :) gde su Duletovi brodovi? :D elem, bomba je bachena iz dva razloga - prvi da bi se opravdala masa para bachena u program, a taj priliv novca im je trebam za shtancovanje josh takvih bombica, te im je ovo zapravo bio idealan marketinshki potez da prizovu ulagache, da se tako izrazim.. and drugi - SSSR se spremao da se zaleti i maltene napravi pontonski most (ne shvatite ovo bukvalno) do Japana, dakle masa chelika i mesa se spremila da pregazi sve shto je prichalo japanski na istochnoj hemisferi, tako da je sve to trebalo preduhitriti, otuda i tolika masa ljudstva u Nipponu, koji se ipak relativno mirno predao :) btw offtopic (setih se sada kada smo prichali o Belom Tigru) - odgledah pre par dana Emperora, solidan filmic :) pitam se koliko je tachna ona pricha o tome da je vojska pokushala da svrgne Hirohita noc pre emitovanja chuvenog The govora.. dakle, pitam se da li bi nash voljeni Nippon (napupele japanke , anime i milion drugih stvari koje volimo a na kojima pishe "made in Japan") uopshte i u kojoj meri postojao da su svrgnuli uvazenog i mnogoposhtovaog cara Showa :) p.s. kontam da je manson pitao retorichki :) Quote ubij jednog - ubica si; ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si; ubij milion - drzavnik si. A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. NN 4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 mada opet, da mi nisu roknuli nuklearke, rat bi trajao i dalje, tipa i dan danas :) ludi japanci se nikad ne bi predali, ovi bi ih bombardovali do kamenog doba, pa bi verovatno svi na kraju izginuli da ne proveravam sada, zar nije vise ljudi poginulu u japanu od bombardovanja napalmom (zapaljivim bombama, kako vec) nego u ova dva nuklerana udara a moguce da bi im rusi bacili atomku za neku godinu da ameri nisu, ili bi mozda bas car bombu testirali na japancima nije da opravdavam amere, ali opet, tada se drugacije razmisljalo, kapiram da posle 5+ godina rata, svi su hteli da se zavrsi sto pre, a morali su da razmisljaju i o sukobu sa rusima koji je pocinjao а могао си и да прочиташ текст... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dule_smor Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 mada opet, da mi nisu roknuli nuklearke, rat bi trajao i dalje, tipa i dan danas :) ludi japanci se nikad ne bi predali, ovi bi ih bombardovali do kamenog doba, pa bi verovatno svi na kraju izginuli da ne proveravam sada, zar nije vise ljudi poginulu u japanu od bombardovanja napalmom (zapaljivim bombama, kako vec) nego u ova dva nuklerana udara a moguce da bi im rusi bacili atomku za neku godinu da ameri nisu, ili bi mozda bas car bombu testirali na japancima nije da opravdavam amere, ali opet, tada se drugacije razmisljalo, kapiram da posle 5+ godina rata, svi su hteli da se zavrsi sto pre, a morali su da razmisljaju i o sukobu sa rusima koji je pocinjao 10 mart 1945, bombardovanje tokija zapaljivim bombama, 150.000 mrtvih za jednu noc wow koliko dugo nisam bio na ovom topicu :) gde su Duletovi brodovi? :D elem, bomba je bachena iz dva razloga - prvi da bi se opravdala masa para bachena u program, a taj priliv novca im je trebam za shtancovanje josh takvih bombica, te im je ovo zapravo bio idealan marketinshki potez da prizovu ulagache, da se tako izrazim.. and drugi - SSSR se spremao da se zaleti i maltene napravi pontonski most (ne shvatite ovo bukvalno) do Japana, dakle masa chelika i mesa se spremila da pregazi sve shto je prichalo japanski na istochnoj hemisferi, tako da je sve to trebalo preduhitriti, otuda i tolika masa ljudstva u Nipponu, koji se ipak relativno mirno predao :) btw offtopic (setih se sada kada smo prichali o Belom Tigru) - odgledah pre par dana Emperora, solidan filmic :) pitam se koliko je tachna ona pricha o tome da je vojska pokushala da svrgne Hirohita noc pre emitovanja chuvenog The govora.. dakle, pitam se da li bi nash voljeni Nippon (napupele japanke , anime i milion drugih stvari koje volimo a na kojima pishe "made in Japan") uopshte i u kojoj meri postojao da su svrgnuli uvazenog i mnogoposhtovaog cara Showa :) p.s. kontam da je manson pitao retorichki :) brodovi chame na dnu pacifika, jedan je yamato/musashi:( ja nekako mislimd a rusi ne bi imali kapaciteta za invaziju na japan, divine wind bre! :D ah da beli tigar, to sam hteo da skinem, al nije bilo na pirate bay, pogledacu sad:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderstorm Posted August 12, 2013 Report Share Posted August 12, 2013 @ Barcas Retoricko je pitanje. Konstantacija koliko su retardirani kao narod. Quote It’s better to burn out than to fade away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarcaS take 2 Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 @ Barcas Retoricko je pitanje. Konstantacija koliko su retardirani kao narod. Nazalost realnost pokazuje da nisu jedini i da su svi narodi retardirani. Quote https://www.g2a.com/r/barcas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 btw moj proshli post napravio sam mini lapsus, napisah u post scriptum-u da je to rekao manson, zapravo sam mislio na Thunder-a :) pardon (samo izvolite, hvala) :) nazalost, dragi moj Kartaginjanine, realnost pokaze da je masom ljudi jako lako manipulisati.. (ovde cu sada da napishem neshto interesantno (makar meni), ali nije vezano za drugi sv. rat - naime svi znaju shta je Stounhendz, odnosno makar da postoji :) ko ga je podigao? :) predpostavlja se da se radi o choveku koji je poreklom bio Egipcanin, ili makar chovek iz u to vreme "civilizovanog" dela Evrope. Zashto? Otkopan je grob na samom lokalitetu, u njemu je nadjen skelet chija starost odgovara vremenu izgradnje dotichne gradjevine, u grobu su nadjene zlatne shnale, mindjushe (valjda, nisam siguran) i narukvica. Osoba kojoj su pripadali je verovatno chovek koji je naredio izgradnju Stounhendza, a svi su ga slushali, bez obzira shto je doshljak. Opet, zashto? Zato shto mu je kosa svetlucala, telo mu je svetlucalo na najfiniji moguci nachin (zlato), pa su ga smatrali bozanstvom. Mimika, govori, itd. sve je isto i dan danas - shto vishe ovaca, lakshe je manipulisati njima) narochito kada imash veliki kapital za uloziti, odnosno nachine da distribuirash vidjenje shachice ljudi celom svetu (Holivud by C.I.A.) :) ali ovaj da, pun *beeeep (da se ne izrazim) retarda (po mishljenjima, odnosno po nedostatku istih) u Sjedinjenim Drzavama. Nazalost. Otuda toliko sr* po celome belom svetu, da vishe razmishljaju, mozda bi drugachije bilo, ali ajde sada.. ^^ malo sam umoran, nadam se da sam bio solidno razumljiv u ovom postu :) Quote ubij jednog - ubica si; ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si; ubij milion - drzavnik si. A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. NN 4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dule_smor Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 da, osim u tome da su egipcani izgradili stounhendz:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 ne, nisam mislio da su egipcani izgradili, vec da je lik koji je naredio izgradnju bio ili egipcanin ili grk :) tadashnji britanci nisu imali sredstva da na taj nachin obrade metal :) btw nemam pojma da li sam to gledao u nekoj emisiji ili sam prochitao.. sada mi je krivo, jer bih inache okachio link :) elem, poenta je bila da je lako manipulisati masom ljudi xD Quote ubij jednog - ubica si; ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si; ubij milion - drzavnik si. A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. NN 4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 Sve to su zakljucili iz groba koji su iskopali u Stounhendzu? Veoma interesantno, na osnovu nekoliko informacija (grob, zlatni nakit, kameni blokovi) dosli su do zakljucka da je taj covek doshao iz grcke ili egipta i izmanipulisao masu ljudi da naprave spomenik za neku nepoznatu svrhu, a mozda i njemu u cast? Verovatno je njihov jezik naucio u shkoli, pa se lako sporazumeo sa njima. Ili je koristio google translate? :P Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 ne, ovo nema veze sa kamenim blokovima, nigde to nisam napisao.. ali ok, sarkazam ftw. elem, ko me je terao da pishem shta sam prochitao, o Stounhendzu ima milion teorija, svaki arheolog/profesor istorije u Britanije izbaci neku.. dakle ovo nije moje izjava, samo sam ukratko napisao shta sam prochitao, e sada koliko je to tachno naravno pitanje je, medjutim koliko je velika vecina stvari iz istorije uopshte tachna takodje je veliko pitanje. Dakle koliko se kome svidja teorija nije na meni da sudim, koliko samo teorija o nashem poreklu ima kod samo kod nas? Zamisli da nas ima kao Britanaca, koliko bi ih tek onda bilo.. e sada ovako, krenima od chinjenica, zbog kojih je npr. ova teorija meni imala smisla, pa sam se setio da je citiram.. prastanovnici Britanije, odnosno ko god da je napravio Stounhendz je bio sasvim sigurno Galskog porekla/odnosno u nekom kotntaktu sa Galima. Sam Cezar u Komentarima kaze da stanovnici Britanije, govore istim jezikom kao i Gali, odnosno Belgi, odnosno jako slichnim kao stanovnici severne Iberije. Dakle ako bi neko iz kopnenog dela Evrope doshao u Britaniju, uopshte nije nemoguce da je poznavao ili jezik koji se tada govorio ili osnove istog. Poznato je da su Egipcani, uglavnom preko Fenichana oplovili oko Afrike, zar zaista mislish da neko od njih nije otishao i na sever? Drugo, nisam rekao da je bio Egipcanin, rekao sam da je bio ili Egipcanin ili je ziveo u "civilizovanom" delu Evrope, dakle vrlo lako je mogao biti i Grk, kao i ajde opet Fenichanin, samim tim preko trgovine vrlo je lako mogao da ima nakit koji je na tako fini nachin obradjen. Dakle sam nakit sasvim sigurno NIJE napravljen u Britaniji, jer nisu poznavali takav nachin obrade kvalitetnog metala. Idemo dalje, zamislimo hipotetichki situaciju u kome ajde na primer Mile iz Egipta dozivljava brodolom na obalama juzne Engleske i zavrshi na kopnenom delu.. igrom sluchaja Mile je uspeo da sachuva par stvari, mozda je par ljudi takodje prezivelo, ali Mile je bogat i ima izmedju ostalog zlatne djindjuve. Nalecu na Britance, ne nuzno ratoborne, koji i sami zachudjeno posmatraju ove ljude - zashto? Zato shto je Mile recimo Egipcanin i pre svega nije obuchen na nachin na koji su obucheni lokalni stanovnici te im je zanimljiv, sem toga u Miletovoj kosi se nalaze zlatne shnale koje imaju tendenciju da sijaju/blistaju, to je opet jako zanimljivo lokalnim varvarima, kojima je dnevni dogadjaj da zaskoche koju srednje bradatu pre-Britanku, pomuzu ovcu i ulove vepra.. Mile (ako je bio Egipcanin) verovatno ima i neshto od stvari koje su se koristile u Egiptu pored odece, npr. oruzije fine izrade, mnogo kvalitetnije od onoga koji poseduju ne preterano razdrazljive agricole/chobani na koje je naleteo, takodje Mile ima i malo mozga, pa videvshi njihovo zachudjeno divljenje itd. lagano uz pomoc svojih resursa (fina odece, zlatni nakit, neobichnost, verovatno boja koze, mozda i shminka (da, Egipcani su se vec tada shminkali), mozda poznavanje medicine (osnovno) itd.) pochinje to da lagano kontrolishe u svoju korist. I tako mnogo poshtovanog i obozavanog Mileta, ne odjednom, vec vremenom postave za lokalnog mesnog baju, odushevljeno Mile odluchi da podigne neku gradjevinu sebi u chast, da bi pre svega osigurao svoj status/status svoje loze itd. Naravno, ne mozesh iz ove perspektive da kazesh da ovako neshto nije nemoguce da se desilo, ima logike. Kortez i Pizaro su pokorili narode sa 200 ljudi na izgled. Takodje jezik nije nemoguce nauchiti, uprkos tome shto nas google translate uverava u suprotno. Narochito ako mislish da ce ti pomoci da u vukojebini (pardon my french, Britaniji, u tadashnje vreme ipak zadnjoj rupi na svirali) ostanesh ziv, a i ujedno ako znash da ti je brod propao za sva vremena i da verovatno vishe nikada necesh videti svoju kucu. Ponavljam, ovo nije moja teorija, meni je samo imala smisla, verovatno je i da nisam jedini kod koga je to bio sluchaj. Quote ubij jednog - ubica si; ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si; ubij milion - drzavnik si. A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. NN 4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dule_smor Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 na danasnji dan pre 70 godina http://srbin.info/2013/08/na-danasnji-dan-bitka-kod-kurska-najveca-tenkovska-bitka-svih-vremena/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Ma ok, mozda sam i ja malo ishejtovao vishe nego shto je trebalo :). Alergican sam na nove teorije koje nicu kao pecurke posle vode, na osnovu jednog otkrica napravi se teorija da su ljudi pali sa marsa da bi neko doktorirao na tome ili napisao knjigu. Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dule_smor Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 ili ipak ne, lencuge jedne! elem, prelazimo na nosace aviona!Imperial Japanese Navy Akagi class aircraft carrier "AKAGI" Na kraju Prvog svetskog rata je postalo jasno da ce avioni igrati bitnu ulogu u buducnosti ratovanja. I ranije su neki brodovi modifikovai tako da avioni mogu da polecu sa njih. Ali prvi brod koji je napravljen sa namerom da bude nosac aviona je bio japanski Hosho (Englezi ce reci da e to bio njihov Hermes, ali nek se nose:)). Ali proteklo je dosta vremena pre nego sto su vojni stratezi uvideli znacaj nosaca aviona kao pokretnih aerodroma. Verovatno je najpoznatiji napad na Perl harbor, ali njemu je prethofila jednoa druga operacija. To je bio britanski napad na italijansku luku Taranto 1940. Tada je 20-ak aviona sa jednog nosaca potopilo 1 i tesko ostetilo 2 italijanska battleshipa. Isoroku Yamamoto i Minoru Genda su verovatno tu nasli inspiraciju za napad na Perl Harbor. U svakom slucaju japanci su jedni od prvih shvatili nzacaj nosaca aviona u vreme kada je battleship bio najznacajniji brod svake flote. Njihova mornarica je pred pocetak rata imala 10 nosaca aviona, isto kao UK i USA zajedno u to vreme (7+3). Ali da se vratimo na pricu o Akagiju. Brod je zapocet jos 1920. u cuvenom Kure Naval Dockyardsu u blizini Nagasakija i to kao Amagi class battlecruiser. Ali Japan je 1922. potpisao Washington Naval Treaty koji je ogranicavao deplasman i velicinu brodova, ali je dozvoljavao konverziju u nosac aviona. Akagi i Amagi su bili planirani za prepravku u nosace. Amagi je tesko ostecen u velikom Kanto zemljotresu 1923. i rastavljen na delove. Akagi je zavrsen 1925. i stavljen u upotrebu 1927. Njegovo ime znaci znaci crveni zamak i nosi je po planini u Japanu. Jedna zanimljivost, svi japanski nosaci su dobili imena po letecim kreaturama, osim Akagija jer je originalno zapocet kao battlecruiser(uglavnom su dobijali imena po planinama). Posle prepravki 1938. imao je sledece karakteristike. Duzina mu je bila 260m, a deplasman 42.000 tona. Imao je motore snage 133.000 konjskih snaga i maksimalnu brzinu od 32 cvora (jedan od najbrzih nosaca aviona ww2). Domet mu je bio preko 15.000km,a imao je skoro 2.000 clanova posade. Imao je i 10 topova kalibra 200mm i mogao je da ponese 66 aviona. Takodje je posedovao oklop od 150mm i 80mm na palubi. Akagi je ucetvovao u ratu sa Kinom 1937. Bio je i flagship flote koja je napala Perl Harbor 1941. Ucestvovao je i u osvajanju Rabaula i bombardovanju Darwina pocetkom 1942. U martu je prebacen u Indijski okean gde je ucestvovao u napadima na britanske brodove i bombardovanju Kolomba i Trinkomalija na Sri Lanci. Njegovi avioni su potopili HMS Dorsetshire i HMAS Vampire. U povratku za Japan progonio je americke nosace Hornet i Enterprise koji su bili odgovorni za Dulitle raid, ali ih nije stigao. 25. maja Akagi, Kaga, Hirju i Sorju isplovljavaju u pravcu Midveja u kako ce se kasnije ispostaviti svoju poslednju misiju. Naime plan Yamamota je bio da se zauzme strateski vazno ostrvo Midvej sa svojim aerodromima i usput unisti americka flota. Ali na njegovu nesrecu amerikanci su provalili japansku sifru i saznali sve njihove planove. Iako brojcano slabiji amerikanci su iskoristili info o polozaju japanske flote i uhvatili japanske nosace nespremne dok su njihovi avioni bombardovali Midvej. Akagi je pogodjen sa nekoliko bombi, ali nije odmah potonuo. Posto je bio fatalno ostecen Yamamoto je naredio da ga torpeduju kako ne bi pao u ruke amerikancima. IJN je izgubila i ostala 3 nosaca dok su amerikanci izgubili samo jedan. Ovo je bila prekretnica pomorskog rata na Pacifiku i prvi japanski poraz u ratu. Detaljnije o bici kod midveja ovde. Career (Japan) Name: Akagi Namesake: Mount Akagi Ordered: 1920 Builder: Kure Naval Arsenal Cost: ¥53 million ($36.45 million)[Note 1] Laid down: 6 December 1920 Launched: 22 April 1925 Commissioned: 25 March 1927 Reclassified: 21 November 1923 as an aircraft carrier Refit: 24 October 1935–31 August 1938 Struck: 25 September 1942 Fate: Damaged by US air attack at the Battle of Midway and scuttled by Japanese destroyers on 5 June 1942 General characteristics (after 1938 modernization) Type: aircraft carrier Displacement: 36,500 long tons (37,100 t) (standard) 41,300 long tons (42,000 t) (full load) Length: 260.67 metres (855 ft 3 in) Beam: 31.32 metres (102 ft 9 in) Draught: 8.71 metres (28 ft 7 in) Installed power: 133,000 shp (99,000 kW) Propulsion: 4 shafts, Kampon geared steam turbines 19 Kampon Type B water-tube boilers Speed: 31.5 knots (58.3 km/h; 36.2 mph) Range: 8,200 nautical miles (15,200 km; 9,400 mi) at 16 knots (30 km/h; 18 mph) Complement: 1,630 (after reconstruction); 2,000 (total) Armament: 10 × 1 - 200 mm (7.9 in) guns,[1] 6 × 2 - 120 mm (4.7 in) guns, 14 × 2 - 25 mm (1 in) AA guns Armour: Belt: 152 mm (6.0 in) Deck: 79 mm (3.1 in) Aircraft carried: 66 (+25 reserve) 18 Mitsubishi A6M Zero, 18 Aichi D3A, 27 Nakajima B5N (Dec. 1941) Carrier has arrived! Idemo bre, da se spremimo za Wargamingov World of Warships na vreme! Imperial Japanese Navy Soryu class aircraft carrier Soryu Sledeci nosac aviona je Imperial Japanese Navy Soryu, sto znaci "Zeleni zmaj". Naime svi japanski nosaci su imali nazive po letecim bicima kao sto sam vec pomenuo. Sorju i njegov naslednik Hirju su bili skoro sestrinski brodovi, ali nisu bili potpuno identicni. Sorju je zapocet u jednom od cetiri japanska ratna brodogradilista, Kure naval arsenal 1934. a zavrsen je 1937. Imao je deplasman od skoro 20.000 tona, duzinu od 228 metara i snagu motora od 150.000 konjskih snaga. Najveca brzina mu je bila skoro 35 cvorova i mogao je da predje skoro 15.000km sa punim rezervoarima. Nosio je 63 aviona plus 9 rezervnih. Poletno-sletna staza je bila svega 13 metara iznad nivoa vode sto je doprinosilo nismo profilu celog broda. I Sorju je imao karakteristicna dva glavna dimjaka koji nijsu isli u visinu, vec sa strane broda. Zbog hidrodinamicnog profila mogao je da razvije skoro 35 cvorova sto ga je cinilo najbrzim nosacem aviona u Drugom svetskom ratu. Imao je tri lifta koji su sluzili za transport aviona. Od naoruzanja tu su bili 6 topova kalibra 127mm i 14 protivavionskih topova kalibra 25mm, ali je kasnije dodato jos. Oklop je bio izmedju 41 i 56mm sa strane i svega 25mm na palubi. Pocetkom 1938. Sorju je ucestvovao u operacijama oko istocne obale Kine gde su njegovi avioni podrzavali napredovanje trupa na kopnu. kasnije je prebacen na ostrvo Hainan odakle je 1940. ucestvovao u okupaciji Francuske Indokine. 1941. se vraca u bazu u Kagoshimi gde se opravlja i priprema za svoju najpoznatiju misiju. Naime Hirju je bio jedan od 6 nosaca aviona koji su ucestvovali u napadu na Perl Harbor. Opremljen sa 27 Mitsubishi Zera, 18 Nakajima torpednih i 18 Aichi ponirucih bombardera krajem novembra Isplovaljava prema Havajima zajedno sa ostatkom japanske flote. Njegovi avioni ostecuju i potapaju nekoliko manjih americkih brodova. U povratku Hirju i Sorju napadaju americki garnizon na ostrvu Vejk i unistavaju ga. Nesto pre nove godine Sorju stize u luku Kure na brzinke opravke. Ali vec 8. januara krece u pravcu Holandske istocne Indije (sadasnja Indonezija) da podrzava iskrcavanje trupa. Sorju i Hirju se nalaze sa Akagijem i Kagom kod ostrva Palau odakle njihovi avioni bombarduju Darwin na severu Australije februara 1942. Od prvog marta Sorju i hirju ucesvuju u operaciji iskrcavanja na Javu. Od aprila meseca ponovo zajedno sa Kagom i Akagijem bivaju poslati u indijski okean gde potapaju vise britanskih brodova i bombarduju Sri Lanku. Posle skoro 5 meseci non-stop operacija Sorju i Hirju bivaju poslati u Japan na opravke. Ali nije bilo predaha, vec krajem aprila 1942. bivaju prikljuceni floti koja krece na Midvej. Ta bitka se pokazala kao najveca katastrofa japanske mornarice. U kratkom periodu bivaju potopljeni Kaga, Akagi i Sorju. Japanski admiral Tamon Yamaguchi sa jedinog preostalog nosaca Hirjua lansira kontranapad i potapa americki nosac Yorktown. Ali to je sve kratkog daha posto se i Hirju uskoro pridruzuje svom sestrinsom brodu Sorju na dnu mora. Operators: Imperial Japanese Navy Preceded by: Ryūjō Succeeded by: Hiryū Built: 1934–37 In commission: 1937–42 Completed: 1 Lost: 1 Career (Japan) Name: Soryu Namesake: Japanese: 蒼龍, meaning "Blue (or Green) Dragon" Builder: Kure Naval Arsenal Laid down: 20 November 1934 Launched: 23 December 1935 Commissioned: 29 December 1937 Struck: 10 August 1942 Fate: Sunk by air attack at the Battle of Midway, 4 June 1942 General characteristics Type: Aircraft carrier Displacement: 15,900 long tons (16,200 t) (standard) 18,800 long tons (19,100 t) (normal) Length: 746 ft 5 in (227.5 m) (o/a) Beam: 69 ft 11 in (21.3 m) Draught: 25 ft (7.6 m) Installed power: 152,000 shp (113,000 kW) 8 × Kampon water-tube boilers Propulsion: 4 × shafts 4 × geared steam turbines Speed: 34 knots (63 km/h; 39 mph) Range: 7,750 nmi (14,350 km; 8,920 mi) at 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph) Complement: 1,100 Armament: 6 × twin 12.7 cm Type 89 dual-purpose guns 14 × twin 25 mm Type 96 AA guns Aircraft carried: 63 (+9 reserve) 27 Mitsubishi A6M Zero, 18 Aichi D3A, 18 Nakajima B5N (Dec. 1941) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dule_smor Posted August 25, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Prelazimo malo na americke nosace aviona. Njih je bilo zaista mnogo u ww2, pa cu se potruditi da predstavim makar 3 klase. Da se ne bi zbunjivali treba da znate da su ameri davali novim brodovima imena starih potopljenih ili izbacenih iz sluzbe. Tako da kad postoji vise brodova sa istim imenom naglasicu koji je u pitanju i staviti broj u zagradi. Takodje vecina americkih nosaca Aviona nosi nazive po bitkama iz americkog rata za nezavisnost. USS Lexington class aircraft carrier Saratoga (CV-3) Saratoga i njen sister ship Lexington su jedni od prvih nosaca aviona u americkoj mornarici. Oba su zapoceta jos 1921. kao battlecruiseri, a zavrseni su 1925. kao nosaci aviona. Izgradjeni su u Fore river ship brodogradilistu u Masacusetsu. Imali su maksimalan deplasman od 45.000 tona, duzinu od 270 metara, motore od 180.000 konjskih snaga i maksimalnu brzinu od 33 cvora. Efektivni domet im je bio skoro 20.000 kilometara zbog ogromnih rezervoara, a mogli su da ponesu 78 aviona. Od naoruzanja su imali po 4 topa kalibra 203mm i 12 kalibra 127mm. Oklop im je varirao od 19mm na palubi do 178mm na trupu. Brodovi su nosili imena po bitkama kod Saratoge i Lexingtona u americkom ratu za nezavisnost. Kada su Japanci napali Perl Harbor 7. decembra 1941. Saratoga se nalazila u luci u San Dijegu. Posle par dana je upucena prema Havajima kao flagship of the First Carrier Division. 15. decembra stize u Perl Harbor i odmah produzava prema ostvu Vejk koje pada u ruke Japanaca par dana kasnije pa se odustaje od te misije. Pocetkom januara patrolira vodama oko ostrva Midvej gde biva pogodjena japanskim torpedom. Zbog popravki ne ucestvuje u bici kod Midveja, ali zato pocetkom jula krece u drugu veoma vaznu kampanju. Naime skoro 6 meseci ce se voditi krvave borbe oko ostrva Gvadalkanal u juznom Pacifiku. Japanci i Amerikanci pokusavaju da osiguraju to strateski vazno ostrvo zbog aerodroma koji se nalazi na njemu. Avioni sa Saratoge su ucestvovali u mnogim misijama u kapanji oko Gvadalkanala i izmedju ostalog potopili japanski laki nosac aviona Ryujo. Kasnije Saratoga biva ponovo torpedovana i odlazi na popravke. Inace krajem oktobra te 1942. godine Saratoga i legendarni Enterprise su bili jedina dva americka nosaca aviona na Pacifiku, posto su Yorktown i Hornet potopljeni. Mada ni japanci nisu bili bolji u tom trenutku jer su izgubili 4 nosaca kod Midveja. Pocetkom 1943. Enterprise biva tesko ostecen i poslat na popravke i Saratoga ostaje jedini americki nosac aviona na Pacifiku. Krajem godine Saratoga ucestvuje u napadu na Rabaul, glavnu japansku bazu na Pacifiku. Posle uspesnog zavrsetka te kampanje biva prebacena u Indijski okean pocetkom 1944. kao pomoc britanskoj mornarici. Pocetkom 1945. se vraca na pacifik i ucestvuje u operaciji iskrcavanja na Iwo Jimu. Tu biva tesko ostecena sa 5 direktnih pogodaka bombi i 3 kamikaza pogotka. Ipak uspeva da se izvuce i vraca se na popravke. Saratoga, Ranger i cuveni Enterprise su jedina tri americka nosaca aviona koji su preziveli ceo rat. Saratoga je tad drzala rekord za najvise sletanja aviona na neki nosac, skoro 100.000. Ali na kraju je sudbina htela da neslavno zavrsi. Posluzila je kao test objekat za 2 nuklearne eksplozije na ostrvu Bikini. Onu u vazduhu je prezivela, ali ju je podvodna potopila. Career (United States) Name: USS Saratoga Namesake: Battle of Saratoga Ordered: 1917 (as battlecruiser) 1922 (as aircraft carrier) Builder: New York Shipbuilding Corporation, Camden, New Jersey Laid down: 25 September 1920 Launched: 7 April 1925 Commissioned: 16 November 1927 Reclassified: 1 July 1922 to aircraft carrier Struck: 15 August 1946 Identification: Hull number: CC-3, then CV-3 Nickname: Sara Maru, Sister Sara Honors and awards: 8 battle stars Fate: Sunk by atomic bomb test, 25 July 1946 General characteristics (as built) Class & type: Lexington-class aircraft carrier Displacement: 36,000 long tons (37,000 t) (standard) 43,055 long tons (43,746 t) (deep load) Length: 888 ft (270.7 m) Beam: 106 ft (32.3 m) Draft: 30 ft 5 in (9.3 m) (deep load) Installed power: 180,000 shp (130,000 kW) 16 water-tube boilers Propulsion: 4 shafts 4 sets turbo-electric drive Speed: 33.25 knots (61.58 km/h; 38.26 mph) Range: 10,000 nmi (19,000 km; 12,000 mi) at 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph) Complement: 2,791 (including aviation personnel) in 1942 Armament: 4 × twin 8-inch (203 mm) guns 12 × single 5-inch (127 mm) anti-aircraft guns Armor: Belt: 5–7 in (127–178 mm) Deck: .75–2 in (19–51 mm) Gun turrets: .75 in (19 mm) Bulkheads: 5–7 in (127–178 mm) Aircraft carried: 78 Aviation facilities: 1 Aircraft catapult 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dule_smor Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Ae bre, idemo dalje. Malo o engleskim nosacima aviona, ipak nije fora da zapostavimo najjacu svetsku mornaricu 3 veka pre ww2:) HMS Illustrious class aircraft carrier Illustrious Ovo je bio prvi brod u istoimenoj klasi koji su sacinjavali jos Victoriuos, Formidable i Indomitable (englezi pederi bas nisu bili kreativni sa imenima brodova:)). Zapocet je 1937., a zavrsen 1940. u Barrow brodogradilistu u severnoj Engleskoj, a proizvodjac je bio Vickers-Armstrongs. Imao je deplasman od 29.000 tona, duzinu od 226 metara i motore od 112.000 konjskih snaga. Maksimalna brzina mu je bila oko 30 cvorova i domet od skoro 20.000 kilometara. Posadu je sacinjavalo 1900 ljudi. Imao je 16 topova kalibra 113mm i 48 kalibra 40mm. Mogao je da ponese maksimalno 57 aviona. Prvi borbeni zadatak Illustrious je imao u Mediteranu sredinom 1940. godine gde je sa ostatkom flote napado konvoje sila osovine i njihove trupe u severnoj Africi. 11. novembra 1940. je sa njega lansiran 21 avion koji je ucestvovao u cuvenom napadu na italijansku bazu u Tarantu. Tu je potopljen jedan italijanski bojni brod, a dva su tesko ostecena. To je prvi napad sa nosaca aviona takve vrste i posluzio je kao inspiracija za kasniji mnogo poznatiji napad Japanaca na Perl Harbor. Pocetkom 1941. Illustrious biva pogodjen sa 6 bombi u nemacko/italijanskom napadu iz vazduha i tesko ostecen. Povlaci se na Maltu na popravke, ali i tamo biva napadnut. Pod okriljem noci isplovljava za Aleksandriju gde stize dva dana kasnije u teskom stanju. Tu biva privremeno popravljen pa potom za nekoliko dana isplovljava za Durban u Juznoj Africi na vece popravke. Odatle odlazi u Norfolk u Virdziniji gde biva dodatno opremljen i osposobljen da prima americke avione. Pri povratku u Englesku zbog guste magle sudara se sa svojim sestrinskim brodom Formidable i oba bivaju ostecena. Ostaje u bazi Greenock dve do pocetka 1942. Marta te godine isplovljava za Indijski okean gde ucestvuje u saveznickoj akciji iskrcavanja na Madagaskar koji je tada bio pod okupacijom Visijevske Francuske. U avgustu na kratko ucestvuje u akcijama protiv japanskih trupa u juznoj Aziji pa biva poslat nazad u Englesku. Tu pocetkom 1943. pokusava da namami nemacki bojni brod Tirpiz na otvoreno more, ali ne uspeva u tome. Sredinom te godine salju ga u Mediteran gde kasnije ucestvuje u saveznickom iskrcavanju na Siciliju. Krajem godine ga salju u Trinkonmali na Sri Lanki. U prvoj polovini 1944. Illustrious ucesvuje u vise operacija protiv japanskih trupa u jugoistocnoj Aziji. Karjem godine ga salju na popravke u Sidnej. Osatle pocetkom 1945. krece u sastavu novooformljene americko-britanske flote prema Okinawi. Tu ucestvuje u svojoj poslednjoj bici i jednoj od najvecih amfibijskih operacija svih vremena. Biva tesko ostecen od strane kamikaza i poslat u Australiju na popravke. Uskoro rat biva zavrsen i Illustrious odlazi na zasluzeni odmor u luku Rosit u Engleskoj. Rat je zavrsen za brod koji je obisao ceo svet nekoliko puta za ovaj kratak period. Career (United Kingdom) Name: HMS Illustrious Ordered: 13 January 1937 1936 Naval Programme Builder: Vickers-Armstrongs Laid down: 27 April 1937 Launched: 5 April 1939 Commissioned: 25 May 1940 Decommissioned: End of 1954 Struck: 3 November 1956 Identification: Pennant number: 87 Motto: Vox Non Incerta ("No Uncertain Voice") Fate: Scrapped at Faslane General characteristics Class & type: Illustrious-class aircraft carrier Displacement: 23,000 tons (standard), 28,661 tons (loaded) Length: 743.75 ft (226.70 m) Beam: 95 ft (29 m) Draught: 28 feet (8.5 m) full load Propulsion: 6 Admiralty 3-drum boilers 3 Parsons geared turbines producing 110,000 shaft horsepower (82,000 kW), driving three shafts Speed: 30.5 knots (56.5 km/h; 35.1 mph) Range: 11,000 nautical miles (20,000 km) at 14 knots (26 km/h; 16 mph) Complement: peace 1,300 war 1,900 Armament: (1940) as laid down 16 × 4.5-inch gun (8 × 2) 48 x 2-pdr gun (6 × 8) (1945) post upgrades 16 × 4.5-inch gun (8 × 2) 40 x 2-pdr gun (5 × 8) 3 x 40-mm gun (3 x 1) 52 x 20-mm gun (19 x 2 + 14 x 1)[1] Aircraft carried: 1940: 15 Fulmar and 18 Swordfish 1942 (May): 20 Martlet, 20 Swordfish and 1 Fulmar 1944 (June) : 42 Corsair and 15 Barracuda II[2] 1944 (Dec): 36 Corsair and 21 Avenger 1947: Vampires 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dule_smor Posted September 1, 2013 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 USS Essex class aircraft carrier Essex Kako se rasplamsavao rat na Pacifiku postalo je jasno da ce nosaci aviona igrati kljucnu ulogu u pomorskom ratovanju. Nekima je to bilo jasno vec posle napada sa noasaca aviona na italijansku flotu u Tarantu, ali je ipak trebalo vremena da se promeni doktrina pomorskog ratovanja u kojoj su glavnu rec jos uvek vodili bojni brodovi. Ali posle napada na Perl Harbor i potapanja britanskog najmodernijeg bojnog broda Princ od Velsa od strane japanskih aviona polako je svima to postalo jasno. S time da ce se ispostaviti da je jedino Amerika imala industrijske kapacitete za masovnu prozivodji nosaca. To potvrdjuje i Essex klasa u kojoj je do kraja rata napravljeno cak 24 nosaca aviona (toliko nije bilo nosaca na celom svetu na pocetku ww2). USS Essex (CV-9) je bio prvi brod istoimene klase. Izgradjen je u Njuport brodogradilistu za svega nesto vise od godinu dana. Zapoceo je sluzbu u americkoj mornarici 31. decembra 1942. Imao je deplasman od 36.000 tona i duzinu od 266 metara. Motori su mu bili snage 150.000 konja, a maksimalna brzina 33 cvora. Sa punim rezervoarima mogao je da predje neverovatnih 37.000km. Imo je 2600 clanova posade i mogao da ponese do 100 aviona. Imao je 12 topova kalibra 127mm, 32 topa kalibra 40mm i 46 kalibra 20mm. Oklop mu je varirao od 40mm do 100mm. Svoju prvu misiju Essex je imao avgusta 1943. kod ostrva Markus u Pacifiku. Posle toga je ucetvovao u operacijama oko ostrva Vejk i Gilbertovih ostrva. Ucestvovao je i u napadu na Rabaul, jednu od glavnih baza Japanaca na Pacifiku. Posle toga su usledila iskrcavanja na Tarawu i Kwajelin. Febrara 1944. usledio je napad na Truk lagunu, najvecu bazu Japanske carske mornarice na Pacifiku. Tu je potopljeno 8 japanskih brodova. Aprila 1944. Essex odlazi na svoju jedinu popravku za vreme rata i to u San Francisko. Ubrzo se vraca na ratiste i ucestvuje u cuvenoj bici kod Marijanskih ostrva juna 1944. gde je oboreno na stotine japanskih aviona za samo dva dana. posle toga ucestvuje kao podrska pri iskrcavanju u zalivu Lejte na Filipinima. Krajem godine je ucestvovao u napadima na Okinawu i Tajvan. 25. novembra biva pogodjen od strane kamikaze, ali prolazi bez vecih ostecenja. Pocetkom 1945. ucestvuje u operacijama oko Iwo Jime i u bombardovanjima Tokija. Kasnije pomaze kampanju na Okinawi. Pocetkom avgusta ucestvuje u svojoj poslednjoj misiji u ww2, bombardovanju baza na japanskim glavnih ostrvima. Kasnije je Essex ucestvovao i u Korejskom rata, a deaktiviran je 1969. Jos jedna zanimljivost je da je Essex bio brod koji je pokupio astroaute Apolo 7 misije po njihovom sletanju u Pacifik. Name: USS Essex Ordered: 3 July 1940 Builder: Newport News Shipbuilding Laid down: 28 April 1941 Launched: 31 July 1942 Commissioned: 31 December 1942 Decommissioned: 9 January 1947 Recommissioned: 15 January 1951 Decommissioned: 30 June 1969 Reclassified: CV to CVA 1 October 1952 CVA to CVS 8 March 1960 see SCB-27 and SCB-125 for conversion information Struck: 1 June 1973 Honors and awards: Presidential Unit Citation (United States) Navy Unit Commendation Navy Meritorious Unit Commendation Fate: Sold for scrap General characteristics Class & type: Essex-class aircraft carrier Displacement: As built: 27,100 tons standard 36,380 tons full load Length: As built: 820 feet (250 m) waterline 872 feet (266 m) overall Beam: As built: 93 feet (28 m) waterline 147 feet 6 inches (45 m) overall Draft: As built: 28 feet 5 inches (8.66 m) light 34 feet 2 inches (10.41 m) full load Propulsion: As designed: 8 × boilers 565 psi (3,900 kPa) 850 °F (450 °C) 4 × Westinghouse geared steam turbines 4 × shafts 150,000 shp (110 MW) Speed: 33 knots (61 km/h) Range: 20,000 nautical miles (37,000 km) at 15 knots (28 km/h) Complement: As built: 2,600 officers and enlisted Armament: As built: 4 × twin 5 inch (127 mm) 38 caliber guns 4 × single 5 inch (127 mm) 38 caliber guns 8 × quadruple 40 mm 56 caliber guns 46 × single 20 mm 78 caliber guns Armor: As built: 2.5 to 4 inch (60 to 100 mm) belt 1.5 inch (40 mm) hangar and protectice decks 4 inch (100 mm) bulkheads 1.5 inch (40 mm) STS top and sides of pilot house 2.5 inch (60 mm) top of steering gear Aircraft carried: As built: 90–100 aircraft 1 × deck-edge elevator 2 × centerline elevators 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Idemo Duleee, dobio si pl(j)us po postu :D samo nastavi :D @ Sting: opushteno, ni ja ne volim tih hiljadu i kusur teorija, ali mi je ova nekako bila zanimljiva.. nhf :) Quote ubij jednog - ubica si; ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si; ubij milion - drzavnik si. A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. NN 4ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debeli Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 српски носач авиона, класа "Миле" Quote MORTALIS HOMO AURA PER KHARONE SERVAStyle over subsistenceCrown of Light. Keeper of The Yoda Chamber. I&I, Righteous Army of One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/USS_Essex.jpg pitam se zašto su ispisali "srećan božić" na holandskom :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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