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The Hiroshima Myth. Unaccountable War Crimes and the Lies of US Military History
Global Research, July 31, 2013
Region: Asia
In-depth Report: Nuclear War

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This coming Tuesday, August 6, 2013, is the 68th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima, the whole truth of which has been heavily censored and mythologized ever since war-weary Americans celebrated V-J Day 10 days later.

In the pitiful history lessons that were taught by my uninspired/bored history teachers (which seemed to be mostly jocks) came from patriotic and highly censored books where everything the British and US military ever did in war time was honorable and self-sacrificing and everything their opponents did was barbaric. Everybody in my graduating class of 26 swallowed the post-war propaganda in our history books. It was from these books that we learned about the “glorious” end of the war against Japan.

Of course, I now know that I had been given false information, orchestrated by war-justifying militarists (and assorted uber-patiotic historians) starting with General Douglas MacArthur. MacArthur successfully imposed total censorship of what really happened at Ground Zero. One of his first acts after taking over as viceroy of Japan was to confiscate and/or destroy all the photographic evidence documenting the horrors of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

 Back in 1995, the Smithsonian Institution was preparing to correct some the 50-year-old pseudo-patriotic myths by staging an honest, historically-accurate display dealing with the atomic bombings. Following the vehement, orchestrated, reactionary outrage emanating from right-wing veterans groups and other patriot groups (including Newt Gingrich’s GOP-dominated Congress that threatened to stop federal funding of the Institute), the Smithsonian was forced to censor-out all of the unwelcome but contextually important parts of the story. So again we had another example of politically-motivated groups heavily altering real history because they were afraid of revealing “unpatriotic” historical truths that might shake the confidence of average Americans in our leaders, sort of like the near-total media black-out about the controlled demolitions of the three World Trade Center buildings on 9/11/01 that killed thousands of innocent people and unleashed the dogs of war against innocents in Afghanistan (explore  www.ae911truth.org for the  documentation of that assertion).

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Nagasaki on August 9, 1945

The Smithsonian historians did have a gun to their heads, of course, but in the melee, the corporate-controlled mainstream media – and therefore the public – failed to learn an important historical point, and that is this: The war could have ended in the spring of 1945 without the summer atomic bombs, and therefore there might have been no Okinawa bloodbath for thousands of American Marines and soldiers. Also there would have been no need for an American land invasion of Japan – the basis of the subsequent propaganda campaign that justified the use of atomic weapons on defenseless civilian populations and meets the definition of an international war crime and a crime against humanity.

American intelligence, with the full knowledge of President Truman’s administration, was aware of Japan’s desperate search for ways to honorably surrender months before Truman gave the fateful order to incinerate Hiroshima.

 Intelligence data, revealed in the 1980s, showed that the contingency plans for a large-scale US invasion (planned for no sooner than November 1, 1945) would have been unnecessary. Japan was working on peace negotiations through its Moscow ambassador as early as April of 1945. Truman knew of these developments because the US had broken the Japanese code years earlier, and all of Japan’s military and diplomatic messages were being intercepted. On July 13, 1945, Foreign Minister Togo said: “Unconditional surrender (giving up all sovereignty, especially deposing the Emperor) is the only obstacle to peace.”

Truman and his advisors knew about these efforts, and the war could have ended through diplomacy by simply conceding a post-war figurehead position for the emperor Hirohito – who was regarded as a deity in Japan. That reasonable concession was – seemingly illogically – refused by the US in their demands for unconditional surrender, initially demanded at the 1943 Casablanca Conference between Roosevelt and Churchill and reiterated at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill and Stalin. Still, the Japanese continued searching for an honorable peace through negotiations.

 Even Secretary of War Henry Stimson, said: “the true question was not whether surrender could have been achieved without the use of the bomb but whether a different diplomatic and military course would have led to an earlier surrender. A large segment of the Japanese cabinet was ready in the spring of 1945 to accept substantially the same terms as those finally agreed on.” In other words, Stimson felt that the US had unnecessarily prolonged the war.

After Japan did surrender, MacArthur allowed the emperor to remain in place as spiritual head of Japan, the very condition that coerced the Japanese leadership to refuse to accept the humiliating “unconditional surrender” terms.

So the two essential questions that need answering to comprehend what was going on behind the scenes are these:

1) Why did the US refuse to accept Japan’s only demand concerning their surrender (the retention of the emperor) and

2) why were the atomic bombs used when victory in the Pacific was already a certainty?

 Shortly after WWII, military analyst Hanson Baldwin wrote:

Admiral William Leahy, top military aide to President Truman, said in his war memoirs, I Was There:

“The Japanese, in a military sense, were in a hopeless strategic situation by the time the Potsdam Declaration (insisting on Japan’s unconditional surrender) was made on July 26, 1945.”

eisenhower.jpgAnd General Dwight D. Eisenhower, in a personal visit to President Truman a couple of weeks before the bombings, urged him not to use the atomic bombs. Eisenhower said  (in a 1963 interview in  Newsweek):

“It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons. My own feeling is that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.”

There are a number of factors that contributed to the Truman administration’s decision to use the bombs.

“It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing . . . to use the atomic bomb, to kill and terrorize civilians, without even attempting [negotiations], was a double crime.”

1) The US had made a huge investment in time, mind and money (a massive 2 billion in 1940 dollars) to produce three bombs, and there was no inclination – and no guts – to stop the momentum.

2) The US military and political leadership – as did many ordinary Americans – had a tremendous appetite for revenge because of Pearl Harbor. Mercy wasn’t in the mindset of the US military or the war-weary populace, and the missions against Hiroshima and Nagasaki were accepted – no questions asked – by most of those folks who only knew the sanitized, national security version of events.

3) The fissionable material in Hiroshima’s bomb was uranium. The Nagasaki bomb was a plutonium bomb. Scientific curiosity was a significant factor that pushed the project to its completion. The Manhattan Project scientists (and the US Army director of the project, General Leslie Groves) were curious about “what would happen if an entire city was leveled by a single uranium bomb?” “What about a plutonium bomb?”

The decision to use both bombs had been made well in advance of August 1945. Accepting the surrender of Japan was not an option if the science experiment was to go ahead. Of course the three-day interval between the two bombs was unconscionably short if the Hiroshima bomb was designed to coerce immediate surrender. Japan’s communications and transportation capabilities were in shambles, and no one, not even the US military, much less the Japanese high command, fully understood what had happened at Hiroshima. (The Manhattan Project was so top secret that even Douglas MacArthur, commanding general of the entire Pacific theatre, had been kept out of the loop until five days before Hiroshima.)

4) The Russians had proclaimed their intent to enter the war with Japan 90 days after V-E Day (Victory in Europe Day, May 8), which would have been Aug. 8, two days after Hiroshima was bombed. Indeed, Russia did declare war on Japan on August 8 and was advancing eastward across Manchuria when Nagasaki was incinerated. The US didn’t want Japan surrendering to Russia or sharing the spoils of war.

Russia was soon to be the only other superpower – and a future enemy – so the first nuclear threat “messages” of the Cold War were sent. Russia indeed received far less of the spoils of war than they had anticipated, and the two superpowers were instantly mired in the Cold War stalemate that led to the unaffordable nuclear arms race and the possibility of total extinction of the human race. What did happen was the mutual moral and financial bankruptcies of both nations that occurred over the next couple of generations of military madness.

An estimated 80,000 innocent civilians, plus 20,000 weaponless young Japanese conscripts died instantly in the Hiroshima bombing. Hundreds of thousands more suffered slow deaths from agonizing burns, radiation sickness, leukemias, anemias and untreatable infections for the rest of their shortened lives. Generations of the survivor’s progeny were also afflicted with horrible radiation-induced illnesses, cancers and premature deaths, still going on to this very hour.

  Another shameful reality that has been covered up is the fact that 12 American Navy pilots, their existence well known to the US command, were instantly incinerated in the Hiroshima jail on the fateful day

So the official War Department-approved version of the end of the war in the Pacific contained a new batch of myths that took their places among the long lists of myths that Americans are continuously fed by our corporate, military, political and media opinion leaders, the gruesomeness of war being changed to glorification in the process. Among the other censored out realities include what really happened in the US military invasions and occupations of the countries of North Korea, Iran, Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, the Philippines, Chile, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Colombia, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, etc. This list doesn’t cover the uncountable secret Pentagon/CIA covert operations and assassination plots in the rest of the world, where as many as150 nations contain American military bases (permission lavishly paid for by bribery or threats of economic sanctions).

But somehow most of us still hang on to our shaky “my country right or wrong” patriotism, desperately wanting to believe the cunningly-orchestrated myths that say that the war-profiteering multibillionaire corporate elite (and their politicians, military leaders and media talking heads who are in their employ) only work for peace, justice, equality, liberty and “making the world safe” for predatory capitalism.

While it is true that the US military has faced down the occasional despot, with necessary sacrifice from dead and mortally-wounded (in body, mind and spirit) American soldiers and veterans, more often than not the rationalization for going to war are the same as those of the “godless communists”, the anti-American “insurgents” and “freedom fighters” who want to convince us Yankees to just go home where we belong.

August 6 and 9, 1945 are just two more examples of the brain-washing that goes on in all “total war” political agendas, which are always accompanied by the inevitable human slaughter that is euphemistically labeled “collateral damage” or “friendly fire”.

It might already be too late to rescue and resuscitate the humanitarian, peacemaking America that we used to know and love. It might be too late to effectively confront the corporate hijacking of liberal democracy in America. It might be too late to successfully bring down the arrogant and greedy ruling elites who are selfishly dragging our world down the road to our destruction. The rolling coup d’etat of what I call Friendly American Fascism may have already accomplished its goals.

  But there may still be some hope. Rather than being silent about the wars that the war-mongers are provoking all over the planet (with the very willing assistance of the Pentagon, the weapons industry and their lapdogs in Congress), people of conscience need to start learning the whole truth of history, despite the discomfort we will feel (cognitive dissonance) when the truth can’t be ignored any more.

We need to start owning up to America’s uncountable war crimes that have been orchestrated in our names. And then we need to go to the streets, publicly protesting and courageously refusing to cooperate with those who are transforming America into a criminal rogue nation that will eventually be targeted for downfall by its billions of suffering victims outside our borders, similar to what happened to Nazi Germany and Fascist Japan.

Doing what is right for the whole of humanity for a change, rather than just doing what is profitable or advantageous for our over-privileged, over-consumptive and unsustainable American way of life, would be real honor, real patriotism and an essential start toward real peace.

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Poslednja dva pasusa, iako ne bi urodila plodom bilo bi lepo za videti :). 
Naravno to se nikad nece desiti.

 

I da, zar je moguce da su toliko brainwashovani da ne mogu da razmisle svojom glavom i zakljuce da "stvarno nije uredu sto su stotine hiljada neduznih poginuli od strane njihove vojske" i da gde god da odu da se ne bore za mir u svetu?

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mada opet, da mi nisu roknuli nuklearke, rat bi trajao i dalje, tipa i dan danas :) ludi japanci se nikad ne bi predali, ovi bi ih bombardovali do kamenog doba, pa bi verovatno svi na kraju izginuli

da ne proveravam sada, zar nije vise ljudi poginulu u japanu od bombardovanja napalmom (zapaljivim bombama, kako vec) nego u ova dva nuklerana udara

a moguce da bi im rusi bacili atomku za neku godinu da ameri nisu, ili bi mozda bas car bombu testirali na japancima

nije da opravdavam amere, ali opet, tada se drugacije razmisljalo, kapiram da posle 5+ godina rata, svi su hteli da se zavrsi sto pre, a morali su da razmisljaju i o sukobu sa rusima koji je pocinjao

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Poslednja dva pasusa, iako ne bi urodila plodom bilo bi lepo za videti :). 

Naravno to se nikad nece desiti.

 

I da, zar je moguce da su toliko brainwashovani da ne mogu da razmisle svojom glavom i zakljuce da "stvarno nije uredu sto su stotine hiljada neduznih poginuli od strane njihove vojske" i da gde god da odu da se ne bore za mir u svetu?

 

Da li si ovo zaista pitao ili je bilo retoricki? :D

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wow koliko dugo nisam bio na ovom topicu :)

 

gde su Duletovi brodovi? :D

 

elem, bomba je bachena iz dva razloga - prvi da bi se opravdala masa para bachena u program, a taj priliv novca im je trebam za shtancovanje josh takvih bombica, te im je ovo zapravo bio idealan marketinshki potez da prizovu ulagache, da se tako izrazim.. and drugi - SSSR se spremao da se zaleti i maltene napravi pontonski most (ne shvatite ovo bukvalno) do Japana, dakle masa chelika i mesa se spremila da pregazi sve shto je prichalo japanski na istochnoj hemisferi, tako da je sve to trebalo preduhitriti, otuda i tolika masa ljudstva u Nipponu, koji se ipak relativno mirno predao :)

 

btw offtopic (setih se sada kada smo prichali o Belom Tigru) - odgledah pre par dana Emperora, solidan filmic :) pitam se koliko je tachna ona pricha o tome da je vojska pokushala da svrgne Hirohita noc pre emitovanja chuvenog The govora.. dakle, pitam se da li bi nash voljeni Nippon (napupele japanke :tf: , anime i milion drugih stvari koje volimo a na kojima pishe "made in Japan") uopshte i u kojoj meri postojao da su svrgnuli uvazenog i mnogoposhtovaog cara Showa :)

 

p.s. kontam da je manson pitao retorichki :)

ubij jednog - ubica si;

ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si;

ubij milion - drzavnik si.

A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

NN 4ever

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mada opet, da mi nisu roknuli nuklearke, rat bi trajao i dalje, tipa i dan danas :) ludi japanci se nikad ne bi predali, ovi bi ih bombardovali do kamenog doba, pa bi verovatno svi na kraju izginuli

da ne proveravam sada, zar nije vise ljudi poginulu u japanu od bombardovanja napalmom (zapaljivim bombama, kako vec) nego u ova dva nuklerana udara

a moguce da bi im rusi bacili atomku za neku godinu da ameri nisu, ili bi mozda bas car bombu testirali na japancima

nije da opravdavam amere, ali opet, tada se drugacije razmisljalo, kapiram da posle 5+ godina rata, svi su hteli da se zavrsi sto pre, a morali su da razmisljaju i o sukobu sa rusima koji je pocinjao

 

а могао си и да прочиташ текст...

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mada opet, da mi nisu roknuli nuklearke, rat bi trajao i dalje, tipa i dan danas :) ludi japanci se nikad ne bi predali, ovi bi ih bombardovali do kamenog doba, pa bi verovatno svi na kraju izginuli

da ne proveravam sada, zar nije vise ljudi poginulu u japanu od bombardovanja napalmom (zapaljivim bombama, kako vec) nego u ova dva nuklerana udara

a moguce da bi im rusi bacili atomku za neku godinu da ameri nisu, ili bi mozda bas car bombu testirali na japancima

nije da opravdavam amere, ali opet, tada se drugacije razmisljalo, kapiram da posle 5+ godina rata, svi su hteli da se zavrsi sto pre, a morali su da razmisljaju i o sukobu sa rusima koji je pocinjao

 

10 mart 1945, bombardovanje tokija zapaljivim bombama, 150.000 mrtvih za jednu noc

 

wow koliko dugo nisam bio na ovom topicu :)

 

gde su Duletovi brodovi? :D

 

elem, bomba je bachena iz dva razloga - prvi da bi se opravdala masa para bachena u program, a taj priliv novca im je trebam za shtancovanje josh takvih bombica, te im je ovo zapravo bio idealan marketinshki potez da prizovu ulagache, da se tako izrazim.. and drugi - SSSR se spremao da se zaleti i maltene napravi pontonski most (ne shvatite ovo bukvalno) do Japana, dakle masa chelika i mesa se spremila da pregazi sve shto je prichalo japanski na istochnoj hemisferi, tako da je sve to trebalo preduhitriti, otuda i tolika masa ljudstva u Nipponu, koji se ipak relativno mirno predao :)

 

btw offtopic (setih se sada kada smo prichali o Belom Tigru) - odgledah pre par dana Emperora, solidan filmic :) pitam se koliko je tachna ona pricha o tome da je vojska pokushala da svrgne Hirohita noc pre emitovanja chuvenog The govora.. dakle, pitam se da li bi nash voljeni Nippon (napupele japanke :tf: , anime i milion drugih stvari koje volimo a na kojima pishe "made in Japan") uopshte i u kojoj meri postojao da su svrgnuli uvazenog i mnogoposhtovaog cara Showa :)

 

p.s. kontam da je manson pitao retorichki :)

 

brodovi chame na dnu pacifika, jedan je yamato/musashi:(

 

ja nekako mislimd a rusi ne bi imali kapaciteta za invaziju na japan, divine wind bre! :D

 

ah da beli tigar, to sam hteo da skinem, al nije bilo na pirate bay, pogledacu sad:)

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btw moj proshli post napravio sam mini lapsus, napisah u post scriptum-u da je to rekao manson, zapravo sam mislio na Thunder-a :) pardon (samo izvolite, hvala) :)

 

nazalost, dragi moj Kartaginjanine, realnost pokaze da je masom ljudi jako lako manipulisati.. (ovde cu sada da napishem neshto interesantno (makar meni), ali nije vezano za drugi sv. rat - naime svi znaju shta je Stounhendz, odnosno makar da postoji :) ko ga je podigao? :) predpostavlja se da se radi o choveku koji je poreklom bio Egipcanin, ili makar chovek iz u to vreme "civilizovanog" dela Evrope. Zashto? Otkopan je grob na samom lokalitetu, u njemu je nadjen skelet chija starost odgovara vremenu izgradnje dotichne gradjevine, u grobu su nadjene zlatne shnale, mindjushe (valjda, nisam siguran) i narukvica. Osoba kojoj su pripadali je verovatno chovek koji je naredio izgradnju Stounhendza, a svi su ga slushali, bez obzira shto je doshljak. Opet, zashto? Zato shto mu je kosa svetlucala, telo mu je svetlucalo na najfiniji moguci nachin (zlato), pa su ga smatrali bozanstvom. Mimika, govori, itd. sve je isto i dan danas - shto vishe ovaca, lakshe je manipulisati njima)

 

narochito kada imash veliki kapital za uloziti, odnosno nachine da distribuirash vidjenje shachice ljudi celom svetu (Holivud by C.I.A.) :)

 

ali ovaj da, pun *beeeep (da se ne izrazim) retarda (po mishljenjima, odnosno po nedostatku istih) u Sjedinjenim Drzavama. Nazalost. Otuda toliko sr* po celome belom svetu, da vishe razmishljaju, mozda bi drugachije bilo, ali ajde sada.. ^^

 

malo sam umoran, nadam se da sam bio solidno razumljiv u ovom postu :)

ubij jednog - ubica si;

ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si;

ubij milion - drzavnik si.

A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

NN 4ever

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ne, nisam mislio da su egipcani izgradili, vec da je lik koji je naredio izgradnju bio ili egipcanin ili grk :)

 

tadashnji britanci nisu imali sredstva da na taj nachin obrade metal :)

 

btw nemam pojma da li sam to gledao u nekoj emisiji ili sam prochitao.. sada mi je krivo, jer bih inache okachio link :)

 

elem, poenta je bila da je lako manipulisati masom ljudi xD

ubij jednog - ubica si;

ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si;

ubij milion - drzavnik si.

A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

NN 4ever

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Sve to su zakljucili iz groba koji su iskopali u Stounhendzu? Veoma interesantno, na osnovu nekoliko informacija (grob, zlatni nakit, kameni blokovi) dosli su do zakljucka da je taj covek doshao iz grcke ili egipta i izmanipulisao masu ljudi da naprave spomenik za neku nepoznatu svrhu, a mozda i njemu u cast? Verovatno je njihov jezik naucio u shkoli, pa se lako sporazumeo sa njima. Ili je koristio google translate? :P

We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men !

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ne, ovo nema veze sa kamenim blokovima, nigde to nisam napisao.. ali ok, sarkazam ftw.

 

elem, ko me je terao da pishem shta sam prochitao, o Stounhendzu ima milion teorija, svaki arheolog/profesor istorije u Britanije izbaci neku.. dakle ovo nije moje izjava, samo sam ukratko napisao shta sam prochitao, e sada koliko je to tachno naravno pitanje je, medjutim koliko je velika vecina stvari iz istorije uopshte tachna takodje je veliko pitanje. Dakle koliko se kome svidja teorija nije na meni da sudim, koliko samo teorija o nashem poreklu ima kod samo kod nas? Zamisli da nas ima kao Britanaca, koliko bi ih tek onda bilo..

 

e sada ovako, krenima od chinjenica, zbog kojih je npr. ova teorija meni imala smisla, pa sam se setio da je citiram.. prastanovnici Britanije, odnosno ko god da je napravio Stounhendz je bio sasvim sigurno Galskog porekla/odnosno u nekom kotntaktu sa Galima. Sam Cezar u Komentarima kaze da stanovnici Britanije, govore istim jezikom kao i Gali, odnosno Belgi, odnosno jako slichnim kao stanovnici severne Iberije. Dakle ako bi neko iz kopnenog dela Evrope doshao u Britaniju, uopshte nije nemoguce da je poznavao ili jezik koji se tada govorio ili osnove istog. Poznato je da su Egipcani, uglavnom preko Fenichana oplovili oko Afrike, zar zaista mislish da neko od njih nije otishao i na sever? Drugo, nisam rekao da je bio Egipcanin, rekao sam da je bio ili Egipcanin ili je ziveo u "civilizovanom" delu Evrope, dakle vrlo lako je mogao biti i Grk, kao i ajde opet Fenichanin, samim tim preko trgovine vrlo je lako mogao da ima nakit koji je na tako fini nachin obradjen. Dakle sam nakit sasvim sigurno NIJE napravljen u Britaniji, jer nisu poznavali takav nachin obrade kvalitetnog metala. Idemo dalje, zamislimo hipotetichki situaciju u kome ajde na primer Mile iz Egipta dozivljava brodolom na obalama juzne Engleske i zavrshi na kopnenom delu.. igrom sluchaja Mile je uspeo da sachuva par stvari, mozda je par ljudi takodje prezivelo, ali Mile je bogat i ima izmedju ostalog zlatne djindjuve. Nalecu na Britance, ne nuzno ratoborne, koji i sami zachudjeno posmatraju ove ljude - zashto? Zato shto je Mile recimo Egipcanin i pre svega nije obuchen na nachin na koji su obucheni lokalni stanovnici te im je zanimljiv, sem toga u Miletovoj kosi se nalaze zlatne shnale koje imaju tendenciju da sijaju/blistaju, to je opet jako zanimljivo lokalnim varvarima, kojima je dnevni dogadjaj da zaskoche koju srednje bradatu pre-Britanku, pomuzu ovcu i ulove vepra.. Mile (ako je bio Egipcanin) verovatno ima i neshto od stvari koje su se koristile u Egiptu pored odece, npr. oruzije fine izrade, mnogo kvalitetnije od onoga koji poseduju ne preterano razdrazljive agricole/chobani na koje je naleteo, takodje Mile ima i malo mozga, pa videvshi njihovo zachudjeno divljenje itd. lagano uz pomoc svojih resursa (fina odece, zlatni nakit, neobichnost, verovatno boja koze, mozda i shminka (da, Egipcani su se vec tada shminkali), mozda poznavanje medicine (osnovno) itd.) pochinje to da lagano kontrolishe u svoju korist. I tako mnogo poshtovanog i obozavanog Mileta, ne odjednom, vec vremenom postave za lokalnog mesnog baju, odushevljeno Mile odluchi da podigne neku gradjevinu sebi u chast, da bi pre svega osigurao svoj status/status svoje loze itd.

 

Naravno, ne mozesh iz ove perspektive da kazesh da ovako neshto nije nemoguce da se desilo, ima logike. Kortez i Pizaro su pokorili narode sa 200 ljudi na izgled. Takodje jezik nije nemoguce nauchiti, uprkos tome shto nas google translate uverava u suprotno. Narochito ako mislish da ce ti pomoci da u vukojebini (pardon my french, Britaniji, u tadashnje vreme ipak zadnjoj rupi na svirali) ostanesh ziv, a i ujedno ako znash da ti je brod propao za sva vremena i da verovatno vishe nikada necesh videti svoju kucu.

 

Ponavljam, ovo nije moja teorija, meni je samo imala smisla, verovatno je i da nisam jedini kod koga je to bio sluchaj.

ubij jednog - ubica si;

ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si;

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Ma ok, mozda sam i ja malo ishejtovao vishe nego shto je trebalo :). Alergican sam na nove teorije koje nicu kao pecurke posle vode, na osnovu jednog otkrica napravi se teorija da su ljudi pali sa marsa da bi neko doktorirao na tome ili napisao knjigu.

We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men !

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ili ipak ne, lencuge jedne! elem, prelazimo na nosace aviona!

Imperial Japanese Navy Akagi class aircraft carrier "AKAGI"

Na kraju Prvog svetskog rata je postalo jasno da ce avioni igrati bitnu ulogu u buducnosti ratovanja. I ranije su neki brodovi modifikovai tako da avioni mogu da polecu sa njih. Ali prvi brod koji je napravljen sa namerom da bude nosac aviona je bio japanski Hosho (Englezi ce reci da e to bio njihov Hermes, ali nek se nose:)). Ali proteklo je dosta vremena pre nego sto su vojni stratezi uvideli znacaj nosaca aviona kao pokretnih aerodroma. Verovatno je najpoznatiji napad na Perl harbor, ali njemu je prethofila jednoa druga operacija. To je bio britanski napad na italijansku luku Taranto 1940. Tada je 20-ak aviona sa jednog nosaca potopilo 1 i tesko ostetilo 2 italijanska battleshipa. Isoroku Yamamoto i Minoru Genda su verovatno tu nasli inspiraciju za napad na Perl Harbor. U svakom slucaju japanci su jedni od prvih shvatili nzacaj nosaca aviona u vreme kada je battleship bio najznacajniji brod svake flote. Njihova mornarica je pred pocetak rata imala 10 nosaca aviona, isto kao UK i USA zajedno u to vreme (7+3). Ali da se vratimo na pricu o Akagiju.

Brod je zapocet jos 1920. u cuvenom Kure Naval Dockyardsu u blizini Nagasakija i to kao Amagi class battlecruiser. Ali Japan je 1922. potpisao Washington Naval Treaty koji je ogranicavao deplasman i velicinu brodova, ali je dozvoljavao konverziju u nosac aviona. Akagi i Amagi su bili planirani za prepravku u nosace. Amagi je tesko ostecen u velikom Kanto zemljotresu 1923. i rastavljen na delove. Akagi je zavrsen 1925. i stavljen u upotrebu 1927. Njegovo ime znaci znaci crveni zamak i nosi je po planini u Japanu. Jedna zanimljivost, svi japanski nosaci su dobili imena po letecim kreaturama, osim Akagija jer je originalno zapocet kao battlecruiser(uglavnom su dobijali imena po planinama). Posle prepravki 1938. imao je sledece karakteristike. Duzina mu je bila 260m, a deplasman 42.000 tona. Imao je motore snage 133.000 konjskih snaga i maksimalnu brzinu od 32 cvora (jedan od najbrzih nosaca aviona ww2). Domet mu je bio preko 15.000km,a imao je skoro 2.000 clanova posade. Imao je i 10 topova kalibra 200mm i mogao je da ponese 66 aviona. Takodje je posedovao oklop od 150mm i 80mm na palubi.

Akagi je ucetvovao u ratu sa Kinom 1937. Bio je i flagship flote koja je napala Perl Harbor 1941. Ucestvovao je i u osvajanju Rabaula i bombardovanju Darwina pocetkom 1942. U martu je prebacen u Indijski okean gde je ucestvovao u napadima na britanske brodove i bombardovanju Kolomba i Trinkomalija na Sri Lanci. Njegovi avioni su potopili HMS Dorsetshire i HMAS Vampire. U povratku za Japan progonio je americke nosace Hornet i Enterprise koji su bili odgovorni za Dulitle raid, ali ih nije stigao. 25. maja Akagi, Kaga, Hirju i Sorju isplovljavaju u pravcu Midveja u kako ce se kasnije ispostaviti svoju poslednju misiju. Naime plan Yamamota je bio da se zauzme strateski vazno ostrvo Midvej sa svojim aerodromima i usput unisti americka flota. Ali na njegovu nesrecu amerikanci su provalili japansku sifru i saznali sve njihove planove. Iako brojcano slabiji amerikanci su iskoristili info o polozaju japanske flote i uhvatili japanske nosace nespremne dok su njihovi avioni bombardovali Midvej. Akagi je pogodjen sa nekoliko bombi, ali nije odmah potonuo. Posto je bio fatalno ostecen Yamamoto je naredio da ga torpeduju kako ne bi pao u ruke amerikancima. IJN je izgubila i ostala 3 nosaca dok su amerikanci izgubili samo jedan. Ovo je bila prekretnica pomorskog rata na Pacifiku i prvi japanski poraz u ratu. Detaljnije o bici kod midveja ovde.

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Career (Japan)

Name: Akagi

Namesake: Mount Akagi

Ordered: 1920

Builder: Kure Naval Arsenal

Cost: ¥53 million ($36.45 million)[Note 1]

Laid down: 6 December 1920

Launched: 22 April 1925

Commissioned: 25 March 1927

Reclassified: 21 November 1923 as an aircraft carrier

Refit: 24 October 1935–31 August 1938

Struck: 25 September 1942

Fate: Damaged by US air attack at the Battle of Midway and scuttled by Japanese destroyers on 5 June 1942

General characteristics (after 1938 modernization)

Type: aircraft carrier

Displacement: 36,500 long tons (37,100 t) (standard)

41,300 long tons (42,000 t) (full load)

Length: 260.67 metres (855 ft 3 in)

Beam: 31.32 metres (102 ft 9 in)

Draught: 8.71 metres (28 ft 7 in)

Installed power: 133,000 shp (99,000 kW)

Propulsion: 4 shafts, Kampon geared steam turbines

19 Kampon Type B water-tube boilers

Speed: 31.5 knots (58.3 km/h; 36.2 mph)

Range: 8,200 nautical miles (15,200 km; 9,400 mi) at 16 knots (30 km/h; 18 mph)

Complement: 1,630 (after reconstruction); 2,000 (total)

Armament: 10 × 1 - 200 mm (7.9 in) guns,[1]

6 × 2 - 120 mm (4.7 in) guns,

14 × 2 - 25 mm (1 in) AA guns

Armour: Belt: 152 mm (6.0 in)

Deck: 79 mm (3.1 in)

Aircraft carried: 66 (+25 reserve)

18 Mitsubishi A6M Zero, 18 Aichi D3A, 27 Nakajima B5N (Dec. 1941)

 

Carrier has arrived!

 

Idemo bre, da se spremimo za Wargamingov World of Warships na vreme!

 

Imperial Japanese Navy Soryu class aircraft carrier Soryu

 

Sledeci nosac aviona je Imperial Japanese Navy Soryu, sto znaci "Zeleni zmaj". Naime svi japanski nosaci su imali nazive po letecim bicima kao sto sam vec pomenuo. Sorju i njegov naslednik Hirju su bili skoro sestrinski brodovi, ali nisu bili potpuno identicni. Sorju je zapocet u jednom od cetiri japanska ratna brodogradilista, Kure naval arsenal 1934. a zavrsen je 1937. Imao je deplasman od skoro 20.000 tona, duzinu od 228 metara i snagu motora od 150.000 konjskih snaga. Najveca brzina mu je bila skoro 35 cvorova i mogao je da predje skoro 15.000km sa punim rezervoarima. Nosio je 63 aviona plus 9 rezervnih. Poletno-sletna staza je bila svega 13 metara iznad nivoa vode sto je doprinosilo nismo profilu celog broda. I Sorju je imao karakteristicna dva glavna dimjaka koji nijsu isli u visinu, vec sa strane broda. Zbog hidrodinamicnog profila mogao je da razvije skoro 35 cvorova sto ga je cinilo najbrzim nosacem aviona u Drugom svetskom ratu. Imao je tri lifta koji su sluzili za transport aviona. Od naoruzanja tu su bili 6 topova kalibra 127mm i 14 protivavionskih topova kalibra 25mm, ali je kasnije dodato jos. Oklop je bio izmedju 41 i 56mm sa strane i svega 25mm na palubi.

 

Pocetkom 1938. Sorju je ucestvovao u operacijama oko istocne obale Kine gde su njegovi avioni podrzavali napredovanje trupa na kopnu. kasnije je prebacen na ostrvo Hainan odakle je 1940. ucestvovao u okupaciji Francuske Indokine. 1941. se vraca u bazu u Kagoshimi gde se opravlja i priprema za svoju najpoznatiju misiju. Naime Hirju je bio jedan od 6 nosaca aviona koji su ucestvovali u napadu na Perl Harbor. Opremljen sa 27 Mitsubishi Zera, 18 Nakajima torpednih i 18 Aichi ponirucih bombardera krajem novembra Isplovaljava prema Havajima zajedno sa ostatkom japanske flote. Njegovi avioni ostecuju i potapaju nekoliko manjih americkih brodova. U povratku Hirju i Sorju napadaju americki garnizon na ostrvu Vejk i unistavaju ga. Nesto pre nove godine Sorju stize u luku Kure na brzinke opravke. Ali vec 8. januara krece u pravcu Holandske istocne Indije (sadasnja Indonezija) da podrzava iskrcavanje trupa. Sorju i Hirju se nalaze sa Akagijem i Kagom kod ostrva Palau odakle njihovi avioni bombarduju Darwin na severu Australije februara 1942. Od prvog marta Sorju i hirju ucesvuju u operaciji iskrcavanja na Javu. Od aprila meseca ponovo zajedno sa Kagom i Akagijem bivaju poslati u indijski okean gde potapaju vise britanskih brodova i bombarduju Sri Lanku. Posle skoro 5 meseci non-stop operacija Sorju i Hirju bivaju poslati u Japan na opravke. Ali nije bilo predaha, vec krajem aprila 1942. bivaju prikljuceni floti koja krece na Midvej. Ta bitka se pokazala kao najveca katastrofa japanske mornarice. U kratkom periodu bivaju potopljeni Kaga, Akagi i Sorju. Japanski admiral Tamon Yamaguchi sa jedinog preostalog nosaca Hirjua lansira kontranapad i potapa americki nosac Yorktown. Ali to je sve kratkog daha posto se i Hirju uskoro pridruzuje svom sestrinsom brodu Sorju na dnu mora.

 

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Operators:   Imperial Japanese Navy

Preceded by:  Ryūjō

Succeeded by:  Hiryū

Built:  1934–37

In commission:  1937–42

Completed:  1

Lost:  1

Career (Japan) 

Name:  Soryu

Namesake:  Japanese: 蒼龍, meaning "Blue (or Green) Dragon"

Builder:  Kure Naval Arsenal

Laid down:  20 November 1934

Launched:  23 December 1935

Commissioned:  29 December 1937

Struck:  10 August 1942

Fate:  Sunk by air attack at the Battle of Midway, 4 June 1942

General characteristics

Type:  Aircraft carrier

Displacement:  15,900 long tons (16,200 t) (standard)

18,800 long tons (19,100 t) (normal)

Length:  746 ft 5 in (227.5 m) (o/a)

Beam:  69 ft 11 in (21.3 m)

Draught:  25 ft (7.6 m)

Installed power:  152,000 shp (113,000 kW)

8 × Kampon water-tube boilers

Propulsion:  4 × shafts

4 × geared steam turbines

Speed:  34 knots (63 km/h; 39 mph)

Range:  7,750 nmi (14,350 km; 8,920 mi) at 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)

Complement:  1,100

Armament:  6 × twin 12.7 cm Type 89 dual-purpose guns

14 × twin 25 mm Type 96 AA guns

Aircraft carried:  63 (+9 reserve)

27 Mitsubishi A6M Zero, 18 Aichi D3A, 18 Nakajima B5N (Dec. 1941)

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Ae bre, idemo dalje. Malo o engleskim nosacima aviona, ipak nije fora da zapostavimo najjacu svetsku mornaricu 3 veka pre ww2:)

 

HMS Illustrious class aircraft carrier Illustrious

 

Ovo je bio prvi brod u istoimenoj klasi koji su sacinjavali jos Victoriuos, Formidable i Indomitable (englezi pederi bas nisu bili kreativni sa imenima brodova:)). Zapocet je 1937., a zavrsen 1940. u Barrow brodogradilistu u severnoj Engleskoj, a proizvodjac je bio Vickers-Armstrongs. Imao je deplasman od 29.000 tona, duzinu od 226 metara i motore od 112.000 konjskih snaga. Maksimalna brzina mu je bila oko 30 cvorova i domet od skoro 20.000 kilometara. Posadu je sacinjavalo 1900 ljudi. Imao je 16 topova kalibra 113mm i 48 kalibra 40mm. Mogao je da ponese maksimalno 57 aviona.

 

Prvi borbeni zadatak Illustrious je imao u Mediteranu sredinom 1940. godine gde je sa ostatkom flote napado konvoje sila osovine i njihove trupe u severnoj Africi. 11. novembra 1940. je sa njega lansiran 21 avion koji je ucestvovao u cuvenom napadu na italijansku bazu u Tarantu. Tu je potopljen jedan italijanski bojni brod, a dva su tesko ostecena. To je prvi napad sa nosaca aviona takve vrste i posluzio je kao inspiracija za kasniji mnogo poznatiji napad Japanaca na Perl Harbor. Pocetkom 1941. Illustrious biva pogodjen sa 6 bombi u nemacko/italijanskom napadu iz vazduha i tesko ostecen. Povlaci se na Maltu na popravke, ali i tamo biva napadnut. Pod okriljem noci isplovljava za Aleksandriju gde stize dva dana kasnije u teskom stanju. Tu biva privremeno popravljen pa potom za nekoliko dana isplovljava za Durban u Juznoj Africi na vece popravke. Odatle odlazi u Norfolk u Virdziniji gde biva dodatno opremljen i osposobljen da prima americke avione. Pri povratku u Englesku zbog guste magle sudara se sa svojim sestrinskim brodom Formidable i oba bivaju ostecena. Ostaje u bazi Greenock dve do pocetka 1942. Marta te godine isplovljava za Indijski okean gde ucestvuje u saveznickoj akciji iskrcavanja na Madagaskar koji je tada bio pod okupacijom Visijevske Francuske. U avgustu na kratko ucestvuje u akcijama protiv japanskih trupa u juznoj Aziji pa biva poslat nazad u Englesku. Tu pocetkom 1943. pokusava da namami nemacki bojni brod Tirpiz na otvoreno more, ali ne uspeva u tome. Sredinom te godine salju ga u Mediteran gde kasnije ucestvuje u saveznickom iskrcavanju na Siciliju. Krajem godine ga salju u Trinkonmali na Sri Lanki. U prvoj polovini 1944. Illustrious ucesvuje u vise operacija protiv japanskih trupa u jugoistocnoj Aziji. Karjem godine ga salju na popravke u Sidnej. Osatle pocetkom 1945. krece u sastavu novooformljene americko-britanske flote prema Okinawi. Tu ucestvuje u svojoj poslednjoj bici i jednoj od najvecih amfibijskih operacija svih vremena. Biva tesko ostecen od strane kamikaza i poslat u Australiju na popravke. Uskoro rat biva zavrsen i Illustrious odlazi na zasluzeni odmor u luku Rosit u Engleskoj. Rat je zavrsen za brod koji je obisao ceo svet nekoliko puta za ovaj kratak period.

 

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Career (United Kingdom) 
Name:  HMS Illustrious
Ordered:  13 January 1937
1936 Naval Programme
Builder:  Vickers-Armstrongs
Laid down:  27 April 1937
Launched:  5 April 1939
Commissioned:  25 May 1940
Decommissioned:  End of 1954
Struck:  3 November 1956
Identification:  Pennant number: 87
Motto:  Vox Non Incerta
("No Uncertain Voice")
Fate:  Scrapped at Faslane
General characteristics
Class & type:  Illustrious-class aircraft carrier
Displacement:  23,000 tons (standard),
28,661 tons (loaded)
Length:  743.75 ft (226.70 m)
Beam:  95 ft (29 m)
Draught:  28 feet (8.5 m) full load
Propulsion:  6 Admiralty 3-drum boilers
3 Parsons geared turbines producing 110,000 shaft horsepower (82,000 kW), driving three shafts
Speed:  30.5 knots (56.5 km/h; 35.1 mph)
Range:  11,000 nautical miles (20,000 km) at 14 knots (26 km/h; 16 mph)
Complement:  peace 1,300
war 1,900
Armament:  (1940) as laid down
16 × 4.5-inch gun (8 × 2)
48 x 2-pdr gun (6 × 8)
(1945) post upgrades
16 × 4.5-inch gun (8 × 2)
40 x 2-pdr gun (5 × 8)
3 x 40-mm gun (3 x 1)
52 x 20-mm gun (19 x 2 + 14 x 1)[1]
Aircraft carried:  1940: 15 Fulmar and 18 Swordfish
1942 (May): 20 Martlet, 20 Swordfish and 1 Fulmar
1944 (June) : 42 Corsair and 15 Barracuda II[2]
1944 (Dec): 36 Corsair and 21 Avenger
1947: Vampires

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Idemo Duleee, dobio si pl(j)us po postu :D

 

samo nastavi :D

 

@ Sting: opushteno, ni ja ne volim tih hiljadu i kusur teorija, ali mi je ova nekako bila zanimljiva.. nhf :)

ubij jednog - ubica si;

ubij hiljadu - vojskovodja si;

ubij milion - drzavnik si.

A single death is tragedy, million is a statistic. - I.V.Stalin

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

NN 4ever

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