ZerBah Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Upravo sam na tomi hardveru naleteo na interesantno shtivo: http://www.tomshardware.com/game/20050713/index.html. Ovi automobili ne samo da mogu da idu sami nego imaju i AI koji ih kontrolishe nezavisno od choveka. Naravno sve je pochelo od US Army experimenata. Najvishe mi se svideo ovaj pasus: "While there should be no misconception that the ultimate goal of DARPA is to turn autonomous vehicles into killing machines, other more noble goals are possible. Senior citizens who are too old to drive themselves could be transported by robotic cars. Mr. Schoenmeyr says, "The problem with our Social Security is not money. It doesn't matter if you have tons of money, but you can't even go to the store and buy groceries. Robots are the answer to giving people the services they need."" Quote А в чем сила, брат? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 ne verujem da bih u skorijoj buducnosti poverio kompu da me voza po gradu, mada sam gledao neku emisiju u kojoj neki minitaxi vozilima upravljaju kompjuteri (da ne kazem AI jer bio onda bilo vrlo zajebano :) i delovalo je vrlo realno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZerBah Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Mislim da im je najveci problem da "objasne" kompu koji objekat je opasan po vozilo, a koji nije :) Quote А в чем сила, брат? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 kompjuteri već danas upravljaju avionima bolje nego što su ljudi to u stanju, tako da nema nikakvog razloga da (malo savršenije verzije, zbog većeg "haosa" u drumskom saobraćaju) to čine i sa automobilima.. a onda će konačno da se otvore vrata i za ubrzanje saobraćaja iznad današnjih "50 po gradu 130 po autoputu 250 u nemačkoj" ograničenja.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZerBah Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Slazem se da je u 90% sluchajeva za saobracajku kriv vozach. S druge strane automobili su daleko jeftiniji i slabije odrzavani od aviona. Josh uvek smo jako daleko od nekog AI saobracaja.... Quote А в чем сила, брат? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cell Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Ali ipak kad to predje u masovnu upotrebu ici ce se na konfor.A tako ce se pisati i software za njega.Ne bih bas voleo da me voza neki robot sa algoritmom slicnom Windowsu. Ali sve u svemu zanimljiva tema. Quote Neukrotljivi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomkeus Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 (edited) kompjuteri već danas upravljaju avionima bolje nego Edited July 15, 2005 by tomkeus Quote You're all gonna die. Then you'll be dead for way longer than you're alive; like, that's mostly what you're ever gonna be. You're just dead people that didn't die yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 jel to ono kad uleti u šumu? to je bio neki prototip, ja pričam o sistemima koji danas postoje na avionima i koji sve umeju da urade, a pilot je tu samo ako nešto krene po zlu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomkeus Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Najvi Quote You're all gonna die. Then you'll be dead for way longer than you're alive; like, that's mostly what you're ever gonna be. You're just dead people that didn't die yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZerBah Posted July 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Chinjenica je da u poslednje vreme avionom za vreme krstarenja upravlja komp (tj. "inercioni sistem" kako se to struchno zove). Medjutim ima josh dosta mesta za usavrshavanje - u principu za komp je najvaznije da moze u realnom vremenu da obradjuje informacije sa senzora i istovremeno modifikuje konfiguraciju krila, upravlja gasom motora i uzima u obzir aerodinamichka kolebanja uslovljena izvlachenjem tochkova. Interesantno je da vecina bespilotnih letelica ili nema tochkove ili ima "fixed" tochkove. Quote А в чем сила, брат? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomkeus Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Inercijalni sistem vođenja su nemci smislili jo Quote You're all gonna die. Then you'll be dead for way longer than you're alive; like, that's mostly what you're ever gonna be. You're just dead people that didn't die yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 čujte, ne raspolažem opipljivim podacima, ali sam čitao raspravu jednog kontrolora leta i dvojice-trojice amatera (padobranci, sportski piloti itd) na sezamu baš o tome dokle su dogurali sa autopilotom.. dobro se sećam da je pomenuti kontrolor leta rekao da u novim boinzima autopilot ume da uradi sve, čak i da taksira do unapred zadatog gejta na svim bitnijim aerodromima. pa ako su lagali mene, i ja lažem vas.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomkeus Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Da, bio si u pravu, ali autopiloti ne rade tokom poletanja i sletanja zato Quote You're all gonna die. Then you'll be dead for way longer than you're alive; like, that's mostly what you're ever gonna be. You're just dead people that didn't die yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 naravno, ali to za našu priču nije ni bitno. bitno je da već danas možeš da isprogramiraš avion da se odveze od određenog gejta u londonu (minus šlepanje unazad) do određenog gejta u njujorku.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milivoje Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Jesi li ba Quote nolife award winner 2006, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 eto, čovek se registrovao da objasni :) svaka čast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazica Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Mene je uspeo da zbuni. Nekoliko puta sam se vraćao ne celu priču i čitao njegov post dok sam uspeo da skapiram. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZerBah Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) Chovek je sve fino objasnio. Milivoje, da nisi sluchajno ishao u Drapshin? Edited July 18, 2005 by ZerBah Quote А в чем сила, брат? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomkeus Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Pa dobro jedna greska FBW-a, naspram zillion ljudskih Inace u zvanicnom izvestaju pise da je greska pilota, petoro ljudi je zavrsilo u zatvoru, ali su posle dokazali da je FDR zamenjen/editovan itd Pa sad... prilikom sletanja u CATIIIc (iliti zero ceiling / zero visibility) vremenskim uslovima nemas sta da ostavljas pilotima... AP radi sve Naravno na CATIIIc sertifikovanim pistama, avionima i posadama :) Koliko sam upoznat u 773ER/2LR postoji dodatni screen sa jeppesonovim mapama aerodroma, ali teskoo da bi AP taxirao sam, jer nisam siguran koliko je TCAS pouzdan na zemlji i malim razdaljinama ;) ... mozda moze da taxira kad nema drugih aviona.... ATC ne moze zahtevati ukljucivanje autopilota, pilot-in-command je vrhovni zapovednik vazduhlopova, i on ce na osnovu (npr) metar-a doneti odluku (ATC ga eventualno moze savetovati) da li ce sletati sa AP-om ili ne... ← Ej, ne znam, kada je krenuo topic na početku sam neke stvari rekao napamet i onda re Quote You're all gonna die. Then you'll be dead for way longer than you're alive; like, that's mostly what you're ever gonna be. You're just dead people that didn't die yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milivoje Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Milivoje, da nisi sluchajno ishao u Drapshin? ← Nope, (civilna) avijacija mi je samo hobi Quote nolife award winner 2006, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therion Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 dobro, back to da topic uvek sam kontao da tje automobili bez vozacha morati imati neku vrsti sigurnih tachaka, magnetnih node-va ugradjenih u autoputu, koje bi auto prepoznavao i poravnavao se sa njima. Jednostavnije je nego Analiza textura ili linija auto puta... Quote lama ftw" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZerBah Posted July 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Pa u principu i sada postoje roboti koji mogu da raspoznaju lica ljudi, tako da mislim da nece biti problem da prepoznaju objekte koji ugrozavaju bezbednosti vozila. S druge strane kapiram da bi najtachniji bio neki eho lokator. Quote А в чем сила, брат? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therion Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 istina, ali ipak mnogo je verovatnije da tje dotj ido greshke u analizi textura nego u detektovanju node-ova... Quote lama ftw" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomkeus Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 To o čemu priča Quote You're all gonna die. Then you'll be dead for way longer than you're alive; like, that's mostly what you're ever gonna be. You're just dead people that didn't die yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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