Chris Metzen o "malom odstupanju od istorije"

[Kole]

Nakon objave nove rase i pratetjih sadrzhaja nashle su se picajzle koje znaju svaku rech koju je blizard ikad objavio i sad Metzen kao glavni baja mora da se pravda...read on =o)

15/05 Metzen on Lore | 5/15/2006 8:44:25 AM PDT

Hey y’all,

I wanted to drop you guys a line and explain what’s up with some of the recent changes you’ve all been seeing in the lore – and specifically address your concerns about the draenei and their revised backstory. Bear with me here, I tend to get a bit wordy as I build up steam. :-)

Anyway, here we go:

Hit #1: Lore Train-Wreck

Right… To be totally up-front with you guys, it’s my bad, straight up. The obvious lore contradiction with Sargeras and his encounter with the eredar was clearly documented in the Warcraft III manual. I wrote those bits about four years ago, and to be totally honest, I simply forgot. Genius, right? With my excitement to get the draenei up to speed and root them more firmly in the setting, I forgot to do my homework and go back over my earlier writing. I can assure you, no one’s more crushed about this mistake than I am. I’ve spent the last few days kicking my own ass over this one. Sucks to fail. It may not always be evident, but we take this story stuff really seriously at Blizzard. It’s been one of my personal missions at this company to maintain a high level of integrity throughout the Warcraft game setting (all of them, actually) and I think we’ve done a pretty decent job of upholding the continuity over the years.

I think it’s important to note that world building is far bigger than just “storytelling,” and it requires (in my humble opinion) a certain amount of flexibility. Sometimes you need to expand certain ideas or retcon whole sections of continuity to broaden the scope and accessibility of your setting. There are a good number of these types of situations already (like totally revising our timeline, suggesting trolls were the progenitors of all elven subspecies, etc. – there’s a hundred other examples). To make an omelet, ya need to break a few eggs, and WoW’s one big omelet.

The trouble is, this has become a pretty big setting. There are literally thousands of characters, hundreds of locations, and all sorts of creatures, items, and plot themes that all define this world. As you can imagine, it’s a lot to police. Sometimes things do fall through the cracks – mistakes get made and we’re forced to scramble to come up with clever solutions to continuity errors. (Hakkar, anyone? :-)). You not only have me jamming ideas, but a ninja team of quest designers, an army of freelance RPG writers, and a commando squad of red-hot novelists who are all involved in flushing out the lore and making it more than just wallpaper on a game.

I’m explaining all this not to excuse this particular mistake, but to give you some understanding of how the mistake was made. I’ve read a fair amount of posts over the past few days and I know there’s a lot of confusion and frustration surrounding the whole eredar/draenei train wreck. Believe me – I know exactly how you feel. At the end of the day, we’re all just a bunch of geeky fanboys and fangirls, and we all get pretty fired up when people start screwing with the worlds we love. If anything, all of the venting and creative suggestions I’ve seen over the past few days have reinforced for me the fact that you guys really do care about this world and its troubled denizens.

While I can’t promise that these types of mistakes will never happen again, I do want to state clearly that we take the responsibility of crafting and maintaining this lore very seriously. You all pay good money to adventure through this world month by month, and you deserve the best we can give.

Don’t lose faith – we’ll do ya’ proud!

Hit #2: So What’s the Story, Blizzard?

Ok, so what’s the real scoop behind the eredar/draenei story then? At this point, even though the NEW lore directly counters the Warcraft III manual, we’re still going to run with it. There are a lot of reasons for this, not the least of which is that I think it’s far stronger than what I crafted back in the day. The eredar were not necessarily all evil. Sargeras did come to them and tempt them with power. They did NOT make Sargeras crazy. This gives the eredar more dimensionality and roots the draenei to a key moment in Burning Legion history.

We’ve also woven all of this new lore into an upcoming novel by Christie Golden (author of Lord of the Clans) that depicts the draenei’s escape from Argus and the “RISE OF THE HORDE” on Draenor. The book DOMINATES, and you’re going to really dig it. Durotan, Ner’zhul, Gul’dan, Doomhammer, Hellscream, Kil’jaeden, Velen – this story is the one you’ve been waiting for. I’m getting geeked up just thinking about it…

However, this new lore does leave a large hole – how did Sargeras go nuts? What drove him to fall and begin his Burning Crusade? I don’t know yet. It will be his encounter with some evil race (who dares me to use Old Gods???), but it won’t be the eredar.

I’ll chew on this. Maybe we’ll solve this by the end of the expansion. See – this is that flexibility stuff I was talking about earlier… :-)

Hit #3: World of Spacecrafts

Another concern I’ve been hearing about is the inclusion of certain sci-fi elements into the setting. I appreciate that this stuff is pretty far out, but that’s the whole point: Outland – and the greater universe out there in the void – ARE far out. Change is always difficult – I remember people getting really upset about dwarves with guns, steam-tech, Gnomeregan as a hi-tech city – many people had a hard time rolling with those technologies in a fantasy setting. But I ask you all – can you imagine WoW without those elements now?

We’re definitely throwing some new concepts at you all, but I’m very confident that when you’re able to see these elements in context, over the course of the gameplay – you’ll understand why we’ve been so excited to include them.

To be clear, we’re not talking about having the Millennium Falcon cruising around the Twisting Nether (I’m certain there would be some legal issues there, to say the least). The draenei ‘nether-ship’ you’ve been hearing about is far more than it seems. It’s part of a larger dimension-traveling fortress called Tempest Keep that essentially teleports through alternate realities. It doesn’t bank and roll or shoot proton torpedoes (not yet, anyway).

While we will be introducing a number of naaru technologies (like this ship, for instance), we’re not planning on going hog-wild. Conceptual balance is everything. For those of you who are fearful of seeing jet-packs and laser pistols filling up the AH, never fear. If you did see them, they’d likely be goblin engineered and get your character killed anyway.

Hit #4: Blood Elves Sure Get Around

I also saw some strangeness about the apparent contradiction of how the blood elves could have sabotaged the draenei ‘nether-ship’ since they’re all holed up in Quel’Thalas. Remember, there are twisted blood elves in Outland who have been there since TFT campaign. It’s those creepy elves who sabotaged the draenei’s “flight” to Azeroth.

I’d love to elaborate on this further, but I’m afraid I’d spoil your appetites for dessert.

In conclusion, I just want to reiterate that we do take these continuity errors very seriously.

It’s very important to me that you all feel you can trust us as developers and know that we’re out to build a world that’s worthy of your time and your passion.

Thanks for bearing with me here. See y’all on the other side of the Portal!

Chris Metzen

12-5-06

[shpanac]

pa bas da sam sve ovo citao-nisam ali ipak je sranje sto drenai izgledaju ovako imba,da su ostali onako grbavi i raspali mozda bih se i zajebao pa krenuo jednog chara!

[Tarabash]

To shto si ti napisao nema veze ni sa topicom ni sa textom koji je kole postovao

Long story short, pricha (koju su objavili) po kojoj su Draenee u alijansi i razlog njihove pojave u WoW-u je kontradiktorna sa vec postojetjim WoW lore-om.

Da ne ulazim u detalje, niti me lore neshto preterano zanima niti zameram Blizzardu shto su napravili lapsus.

[Lurdusami]

niti me lore neshto preterano zanima.

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Infidel defiler. You shall drown in lake of blood.

Ja sva sreća nisam imao vremena da natenane i

[Tarabash]

Microsoft lore > Blizzard lore

[shpanac]

dobro,dobro tarabo priznajem citao sam do Hit#1!

[Kole]

za one sto nece da chitaju: poenta je da u wc3 manualu pishe da je sargeras poludeo od susreta sa eredarima (koji su shatro svi zli) i nigde nije ni naslutjivano da su dreaenei (sad lost ones) u vezi sa eredarima...

tako da za WC4 ima da smishlajju novo zlo koje je korumpiralo sargerasa tj novi razlog za inicijalni pochetak burning crusadea...

...samo chekam da lepo ubace pande on a bigger scale, pa onda tuskare i neke torbare tipa kenguri i koale...i josh bolje kljunare...sve to humanoidno naravno =oD i ja sam hepi ;o))

[Tarabash]

...samo chekam da lepo ubace pande on a bigger scale, pa onda tuskare i neke torbare tipa kenguri i koale...i josh bolje kljunare...sve to humanoidno naravno =oD i ja sam hepi ;o))

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Ako si mislio na Tuskene, njih imamo...warlock tier3 set.

A ti bi neki Zoo Tycoon?

Edited May 17, 2006 by Tarabash

[shpanac]

e jel ima neko predstavu koji ce da budu mauntovi od ovih debilastih drenaia i BE??

[Kole]

na nekom shotu vidi se drenai pored nekog 4nogog gustera...recimo da je kao mali, ali oklopljeni bronto....pokusacu da iskopam shot...

a tuskar =/= tusken raider iz sw =o)

tuskari su humanoidni morzhevi, jedan od heroja u dobrom starom DDayu je koristio taj model =o)

[Kole]

nadjoh slichku

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http://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/i...de/art/ss15.jpg

mislim goveche neko iz outlandsa kao...nista specijalno ili fensi...

[da, zarez, i dalje zhelim velikog crnog dlakavog kodoa iz desola kao rideable mounta za taurene ;oP]

[StormScion]

evriting gouz akording to plen :)))

<3 drenai .. i nista mi ne smeta sto "se ne slazue" da budu sa alijama ..

[Tarabash]

Uf ako budem igrao BC, to ce biti drenjine or whatever is it called...bedak shto nemaju warlock-e ali neki warrior mora da padne. BloodElves su totalno, ali totalno gay i skrnavi, ali imaju warlock-e

[shpanac]

ma ako se ja naljutim odma rolujem drenaja palu pa cu svaki dan da vam ispirem mozak ovde sa:...moj pala ovo,moj pala ono...

[Kole]

hehehe napravimo pala only gild ;oP

iskreno, i ja bih najradije pravio locka jer drenaji izgledaju opako...sa druge strane samo vidim masu sociopata kako uzima blod elf female roguea pa to nije normalno =o))

[Tarabash]

Da ..to ce biti poplava idiota sa Female elficama.

Orgrimmar ce biti kao red light district u Holandiji (i onako je sav crven).

Samo da Kha otvori kazino i ima i alijansa da dolazi na pice, sex i kocku (dobro droga se podrazumeva).

[Kole]

a, pa ti nisi chuo?

u patchu 1.13 planira se event za potpuno istrebljenj hive Zore, bitje napalm bacaT iz gnomish gyrocoptera...onda dolaze gnomovi i njihovi unajmljenici ogrovi da konstruishu na temeljima dotichnog hivea ogromni "rekreacioni komplex", codename Khas Vegasilitus

[Chale]

ja i dalje stojim u redu za posao u gore pomenutom kha's kasinu

[Azdaja]

hahahahah

koliko istine ovde :) umrit cu :)

[shpanac]

OMG tek sam sad postao svestan!ne mogu da verujem!sad kad navale debili sa svih strana sa female BElfovima ima da upropaste hordu!valjda smo mi do sad bili tvrdi momci u odnosi na allije!

[Kole]

gledaj na to pozitivno, bar cesh da se izdvoje pravi "tvrdi momci" od "tvdrih momaka iz bara Plava Ostriga" =o)))

btw i ja cu na nekom serveru da odradim pocetne kvestove sa nekim BElf likom zbog priche...kao i sa drenaima uostalom ali da igram danima blood elfa...smeh =o)

[Undenis]

Ja cu definitivno da pocnem sa Bloodelf warrom!

[killYg0r]

vec moze da se zamisli kako ce 50% ljudi koji igraju wow poceti sa te dve nove rase a pola ce biti belf warriori zbog aoe silenca-a -.-

[StormScion]

bicu drenai zato sto me podsecaju na protose i hocu da budem zealot za light bladesom i da vichem MY LIFE FOR AIUR dok budem jurishao sa bubleom u 1000 blood elfova

[Kole]

jest, paladini su totalno u zealot fazonu? chak se i veliki Fenix bubleovo kad su dosli zergovi i naravno Tassadar je ukljuchio bubble kad je wtfpwnovo Overmind...pffft..nc...