[BMF]Psycho Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Nemam pojma sta sam trazio po netu kad sam nabas'o na ovaj topic, al kad sam procito vilica mi otpala. Skupili se likovi i rade Baldur's Gate kec! Po svemu sudeci vrlo su ozbiljni, rade punom parom, i rado prihvataju kritiku i savete. Nisam skontao jel imaju official website, ako neko nabasa nek okaci link. Dobro, bilo je i ranije neuspelih pokusaja sa mnogim igrama, ali mislim da ce ovi skrinovi invokovati goosebumps po celom telu, blagu histeriju i cisto odusevljenje kod svakog true fana. Realno, tako mi dobro izgleda da bih glat platio 50e da posedujem to. High Hedge Beregost Nashkel mine Sarevok-player komparacija Cloakwood forest/mine Ko zna koja je ovo mapa? :) Gnoll Stronghold Baldur's Gate, docks Candlekeep Friendly Arms Inn (Jel se seca neko gde se na mapi nalazi Wizard's Ring? :) Kompletan album sa lokacijama Album sa NPC-jevima Uf kako bi bilo dobro da zavrse! Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 svaka im dala ako ovo zavrse Quote    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Bilo bi lepo, ali iskustvo govori da se ovakvi projekti ne zavrshavaju :( Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 25, 2009 Report Share Posted May 25, 2009 Jbt ja se samo secam candlekeep-a i dokova, ostalo nista ne prepoznajem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvnityCker Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 lepo lepo, doduse ja sam se smorio zbog linearnosti igre posle odredjenog vremena, ali dosta ovih stvari prepoznajem :) bice dobro ako naprave rimejk Quote The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Lol? Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 zasto lol? pa jeste linearna igrica Quote    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crno-Sunce Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 istom logikom gledanom i baldurs gate 2 i fallout su linearne igre. Quote If there's some higher power that controls my fate, i would like to meet him, shake his hand, then crack open his ribcage and tear out his heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 yep. Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 nope? baldur je mnoooogo linearnija igra... otkud vam da je drugacije? jao jao vracaju mi se divne uspomene tih rasprava :) Quote    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 definisi to mnooooogo please. uzdravam se da napravim paralelu svih kvestova u baldur's i fallout kecu. za slucaj da izneses dostojan argument na astal :) Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 pa pogledaj koja igra ima veci replay value i sve ce ti biti jasno :) nema potrebe za seciranjem, baci pogleda na walktrhough BGa i FOa i sve je jasno (meni bar:)) koliko su kvestovi bolji u FO u smislu kvaliteta, opcija , stats checkova (inteligencija? razlicitost dijaloga? ) posledica izbora i tome slicno http://www.thecomputershow.com/computersho...ursgatewalk.htm http://user.tninet.se/~jyg699a/fallout.html#v13 ono sto je zajednicko je da su igre prepune detalja detalja detalja detalja, samo su kvestovi poprilichno razlicitio koncipirani... detalji, toliko ih fali u novim igrama :( Quote    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 jebiga, sad si se prosro a da nisi reko nista novo. prvo, da te pitam jel si uopste preso baldur's ili ovo sve pricas na osnovu toga sto si procit'o walktru? da vidimo btw kvestovi u fallout kecu. pridruziti se kilijanu il debelom, dobro ili zlo. au baki, kako je ovaj koncept presiso baldur's. al ajde, necu da se prepirem ko klinac. al stvarno zvucis ko majka koja ubedjuje trenera da je njeno dete najbolje u timu Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo_ Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 A SVI ZNAMO KOJI JE ROLPLEJ U STVARI NAJBOLJI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G!!! Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 jebiga, sad si se prosro a da nisi reko nista novo. prvo, da te pitam jel si uopste preso baldur's ili ovo sve pricas na osnovu toga sto si procit'o walktru? da vidimo btw kvestovi u fallout kecu. pridruziti se kilijanu il debelom, dobro ili zlo. au baki, kako je ovaj koncept presiso baldur's. al ajde, necu da se prepirem ko klinac. al stvarno zvucis ko majka koja ubedjuje trenera da je njeno dete najbolje u timu svako ima pravo da se posere, pored mene i ti slobodno, tako da samo napred nemoj da se stidis i seckas srackalicu da presao sam bg jednom nemam ja koga sta da ubedjujem, iluzije su tvoja intimna stvar ako ti je to primer kvesta okej, ja sam prilozio SVE kvestove iz obe igre (dal nisam trebao sve ja da ih otkucam ???) i kakav sam odgovor dobio?? lol evo od gore kako moze da se odradi kvest koji si ti shvatio kao crno ili belo » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « If you feel like it, you can talk to Gizmo and get the job to kill Killian. He'll offer $1000, but with IN 6 you can ask for $1500 and always get it. Return after whacking Killian and you get your reward (he'll only ask for the Dog Tags if you haven't done it). If you killed Killian before talking to Gizmo you get the $1000 reward. You must click on Izo to get the money. You can imagine that this turns the guards and citizens of Junktown hostile if not done subtly. If you kill Gizmo on your own you get 600 xp for it and the guards won't turn hostile, but Lars won't talk to you afterwards which could affect quest 3. If you save and reload in between talking to Gizmo and Izo, you won't get the reward since it's governed by a local variable that doesn't get saved. If you agreed to set Gizmo up for Killian you can ask Tycho to join you after you introduce yourself, and you get 300 xp The first time you exit dialogue after talking to Killian, a guy named Kenji walks in with a rifle and starts shooting Killian. If you do nothing, Killian may be killed, in which case you mysteriously get 600 xp for "your part" (and can loot the whole store without the guards reacting). If you just stand by and watch as Kenji is killed, nothing happens after that. If you get in at least one hit on Kenji, however, you get 400 xp and Killian will ask you to wear a wire and go see Gizmo, the local scumbag. If you refuse, you get thrown into jail (see above) while Killian and his men take out Gizmo. Agree to help and you get a Bug and a Tape Recorder. Now go to Gizmo. To get the confession using the Tape Recorder, either claim you killed Killian but say you don't have the Dog Tags ("I don't want to see your face until you've offed Killian"), or ask why Gizmo wants Killian dead ("I want him dead because he cramps my business"). If you prefer the Bug, simply plant the Bug on him using Steal and that's it. Return to Killian and you get 500 xp for securing evidence, plus you get to choose one of the following: * 1 Shotgun and 100 12 ga. Shotgun Shells * 1 Leather Armor * 1 Doctor's Bag * 5 Stimpak Next Killian asks you to help take out Gizmo. Go to Lars and tell him you're ready, then help kill Gizmo and 600 more xp and $500 (whether you asked for money or not) will be yours. Go take stuff from Gizmo's body. You won't be able to gamble any more (in fact everyone disappears from the casino), but who cares really. If either Lars or Killian is killed in the fight, they still live back on their respective maps (you get a message saying as much when Lars goes down, but not for Killian). There's also a possible bug where Lars is duplicated after the fight and will give you different dialogue on the two maps, which may complicate the Skulz business. If you were in jail while Gizmo was killed you can't search his corpse. If you've already accepted the job to kill Killian when you talk to him for the first time, Kenji won't show up. Instead you can ask about Gizmo and say he only tried to hire you; Killian will then offer you the job as usual. Talk to Kane in the Maltese Falcon, and if you killed either Gizmo or Killian or if you're a Berserker then he'll offer the job right away. Otherwise you have to know who Decker is... Na kraju igre se prikazuje sta se desavala sa lokacijama koje si posecivao 1. Killian takes control: Kill Gizmo but not Killian. 2. Gizmo profits and chokes on iguana-on-a-stick: Don't kill Gizmo. There are two pictures for Junktown, showing Killian and Gizmo respectively. i ti si ovaj kvest podveo kao "pridruzi se kilijanu ili debelom".... Quote    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Da, taj copy/paste je otpriliko kao sto sam ga opisao. Ili si ultimate evil ili ultimate good. Samo su ubacili vise nacina kako ces svoju odluku sprovesti u delo, sto i izdvaja fallout od drugih slicnih igara. Ali sam put kojim glavni char vodi je prilicno linearan. Ides od grada do grada i biras oces uraditi dobru ili losu stvar. Isto to se dogadja i u baldur's-u. Tek su i u Fallout 2 i Baldur's Gate 2 ubacili taj, meni toliko omiljeni subtlety u kvestovima. Gde imas sto izbora, da izigras obe strane u svoju korist po mogucstvu. Da budes zao ali ne sasvim. Da budes dobar ali ne sasvim. U fallout imas te sitne detalje koji omogucuju da postavis mikrofon recimo, da iskopas grob ili hakujes komp, dok u baldur's imas grupu od 6 charova, melee, ranged + magije cime vizuelnim i taktichkim kvalitetom nadmasuje borbe u falloutu, u kom sam samo stojao sa snajperom i pobio ceo svet. Medjutim, sve su to tehnicke razlike. Sama bit kvestova je prilicno ista, kao i odluke koje mozes da doneses. Ako zelis da dalje vodimo ozbiljnu raspravu, molio bih te da ne koristis copy/paste i vickaste dosetke, vec da pruzis argumente iz glave i po mogucstvu direktne primere gde fallout shije baldur's. A mogo bi samo da priznas da si pogresio, mada kontam da ti je to poslednja opcija :) Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rejz Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Kontam da ta opcija kod G-ja ne postoji :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Ultimativno merilo sta je bolje je to da sam pokusavao i pokusavao da igram i BG 1 i 2 (kad su izasli), al tuki. Nije me drzalo ni pola sata. ;) :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rejz Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Zato sto si som :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Ultimativno merilo sta je bolje je to da sam pokusavao i pokusavao da igram i BG 1 i 2 (kad su izasli), al tuki. Nije me drzalo ni pola sata. ;) :P Tvoj post mi govori dve stvari. Da ne znas o cemu raspravljamo ovde, i da imas los ukus :P Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 A meni tvoj da i ne dobijas preterano skil poena sa skokom lvla ;) :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Zato sto si som :P Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Aj sad salu na stranu, posto vidim da si se suvise ozbiljno bacio u diskusiju ;) U fallout imas te sitne detalje koji omogucuju da postavis mikrofon recimo, da iskopas grob ili hakujes komp, dok u baldur's imas grupu od 6 charova, melee, ranged + magije cime vizuelnim i taktichkim kvalitetom nadmasuje borbe u falloutu, u kom sam samo stojao sa snajperom i pobio ceo svet. Eto, znaci pricas o potpuno dva razlicita aspekta igre. Tebe pale cica boce da to prsti i lomi za vreme borbe, dok npr. meni se vise svidja ta interakcija sa svetom i npc-ovima. A FOv end sa pokazateljima kako si uticao na svet me kupio zauvek. No, jedno pitanje za ovaj mod...zar baldur nije bio malo mracniji od ovoga sa screenshotki? Nekako mi je sve suvise svetlo. ps. inace, te godine sam cepao m&m VI i FO2 ofc od rpg-eva, zato nisam ni nisam mogao da igram BG :) Sta cu, "los" ukus :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[BMF]Psycho Posted May 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Ultimativno merilo sta je bolje Zbog ovog sam rekao da nisi skontao diskusiju, da ne bude da trazim svadju. Kao prvo igre se ne mogu porediti jer su potpuno razliciti svetovi, kao drugo mi smo se prepirali koja igra ima zanimljivije kvestove, tj G!!! je prdno da fallout ima bolje, a ja tvrdim da su u istom rangu (i jos uvek cekam argument koji ce mi dokazati suprotno). A da odgovorim na pitanje, nije mracan (dok ne sidjes u neku rupu). Prilicno su ga skinuli, i vidi se da su se trudili oko svake mape. Quote "A forgotten virtue like honesty is worth at least twenty credits." -JC Denton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brue Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I namerno boldovao, da bih zavrsio na kraju sa ;) :P Tja, jbte, zezao sam se... cak sta vise i na svoj racun. Pa ok, kvestovi su takvi kakvi jesu, tek sa MMO su se pojaili (ucestalije) oni ubi 1000 puta 100 razlicitih primeraka nekih zivuljki. Ono sto razlikuje kvestove (ove normalne) su varijacije u samom zavrsetku i nacinu odradjivanja kvesta (normalno i prica, ali to kod ove dve verovatno ne fali). Sad, necu da se uplicem po tom pitanju izmedju BGa i FO, sobzirom da nisam igrao BG. Medjutim, ti nisi krenuo u tom smeru, vec uporedjujes borbe. Ne ide to u prici sa kvestovima. Eto, samo mali "tip" u skukobu sa Gjem ;) :P Aj, ja sam kupio kokice...go on pls :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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