aLti Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) Toplana ti je cenu grejanja koju gubi na cevima po zgradi uracunala u cenu kalorije. Tipa ako jedna kalorija kosta 100 dinara, onda ti je 50 dinara toplota koju potrosis u stanu, a 50 dinara su gubici toplote u cevima i sl (uzimam da je gubitak 50%). I da, toplana ce biti na gubitku ako niko ne upali radijator, ali oni imaju realnu procenu koliko trosi prosecan stan u toku zime pa na osnovu toga formiraju cenu. Pa upravo tako, to je sustina koju od pocetka pokusavam da objasnim. Bez obzira da li imas ili nemas ulazni kaloriometar u zgradi, ima da placas i ono sto si potrosio, i ono sto nisi potrosio - da li ce to biti indirektno ili direktno, sve zavisi od nacina obracuna. Ako je toplana potrosila 1000 tona mazuta, korisnici imali-nemali kaloriometre, to moraju da plate... p.s. Gubitak na prenosu (cevima) je najmanji i prema standardima moze da iznosi do 15% - najveci gubitak je kada stanari iskljuce radijatore (idu na odmor recimo, ili hoce da stekaju pare)... Sticajem okolnosti sam vodio zimsko odmaraliste, pa znam dosta oko grejanja... Evo recimo konkretan primer. Glanc nova kotlarnica na mazut u zgradi od 70 stanova trosi 155 litara na sat pri punom opterecenju - tada je i efikasnost najveca. Postoje tri razlicita mazuta - po kvalitetu, ajde da kazemo da je prosecna cena izmedju 1 i 1,2 evra po litru, sa dostavom. F4ts0 je dobio mesecni racun od 700 dinara, znaci "potrosio" je 6-7 litara mazuta - realno gledano, ovo nije dovoljno ni za samo jedan dan, za samo jedan radijator. Ne bih se cudio da mu na kraju grejne sezone stigne "korekcija" racuna od koje ce oci da mu ispadnu... Edited February 9, 2013 by aLti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4ts0 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 ne. Quote You may have gone to Cambridge, but I'm an honorary graduate of Starfleet Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shomi~ Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Ako ih izbodes sve, ne moras da placas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLti Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Ako ih izbodes sve, ne moras da placas Zasto sve, dovoljno je samo ovog jednog sto ocitava kaloriometar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shomi~ Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Pa poslace novog posle, obrni okreni, da ne bi placao, moras sve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLti Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Ako je ocitavanje jednom mesecno, do tada ovaj prvi ima da se oporavi, znaci nema novog... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4ts0 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 sad mi stiglo 9000 i to je ok jer i jesam trosio. nema kirekcija u ugovoru. Quote You may have gone to Cambridge, but I'm an honorary graduate of Starfleet Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLti Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 (edited) sad mi stiglo 9000 i to je ok jer i jesam trosio. nema kirekcija u ugovoru. Evo da ti kazem zlatno pravilo kaloriometara. Nemoguce je unapred znati cenu kalorije, jer je ona vezana za potrosnju (ukupnu, ne pojedinacnu). Za zgradu (van Srbije) gde smo instalirali i koristili nemacke Techem uredjaje, imam detaljan izvestaj (po nasem zahtevu ga sastavili Techem-ovi tehnicari) - hoces stvarno da znas kako se racuna cena jedne kalorije, napisacu ti...? p.s. ne moraju bukvalno da ti rade "korekciju" racuna, dovoljno je da ti zadnji racun u grejnoj sezoni pljugnu na 80.000 p.s.2 - I da, "ulazni" kaloriometar u okviru zgrade MORA da postoji po trenutno vazecim standardima, to sto neko na Bezaniji ne zna da radi posao je druga prica... Ako imas 25 stanova i hoces da meris individualnu potrosnju, onda moras da imas najmanje 26 mernih jedinica (kaloriometara, ili klasicnih brojaca, nebitno), i to pod uslovom da su svi stanovi na jednoj te istoj vertikali. Edited February 9, 2013 by aLti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4ts0 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 pa imamo mislim napisao sam da svaku stan ima svoj kaloriometar. mada nema poente da se naprdjujemo videcu u aprilu Quote You may have gone to Cambridge, but I'm an honorary graduate of Starfleet Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 neka digne ruku svako ko nije pročitao nijedan altijev post na ovom topiku: o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cali Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 mnogo propustate momci Stranu na šalu, što reče Igor videćemo kad se uhoda sistem i prođe grejna sezona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aLti Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Ivane pozdravio te Nik Vujicic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaveN Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 posto on nema ruke pa ne moze da ga pozdravi, u tome je stos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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