manager Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 da li je paradajz: VOCE ili POVRCE sa obrazlozenjem, molim vas, hvala! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 (edited) Nemam pojma , ali znam da je Lubenica povrce . Edited July 3, 2011 by Sting Quote We must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most and that is the indifference of good men ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LESkOpoz Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 ja sam pre nekih mesec dana naucio da je paradajz voce. Nemam objasnjenje, ali su mi to rekle 2-3 osobe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 polako, polako, svi ste u pravu:) fazon je u tripu kulinarska vs botanicarska podela Botanically speaking a tomato is the ovary, together with its seeds, of a flowering plant, i.e. a fruit. However, from a culinary perspective the tomato is typically served as a meal, or part of a main course of a meal, meaning that it would be considered a vegetable (a culinary term which has no botanical meaning). This argument has led to actual legal implications in the United States. In 1887, U.S. tariff laws which imposed a duty on vegetables but not on fruits caused the tomato's status to become a matter of legal importance. The U.S. Supreme Court settled this controversy in 1893, declaring that the tomato is a vegetable, along with cucumbers, squashes, beans, and peas, using the popular definition which classifies vegetables by use, that they are generally served with dinner and not dessert. The case is known as Nix v. Hedden. dakle, u botanici, sve sto ima semenke mu dodje voce, dok u kulinarstvu i u kolokvijalnom tripu (lol slatko je voce, a ono sto jedem uz has je povrce sisajte mi kurac) nije bas tako i ima cak i trip da je ono sa drveta voce, a ono na zemlji povrce. To really figure out if a tomato is a fruit or vegetable, you need to know what makes a fruit a fruit, and a vegetable a vegetable. The big question to ask is, DOES IT HAVE SEEDS? If the answer is yes, then technically, (botanically) you have a FRUIT. This, of course, makes your tomato a fruit. It also makes cucumbers, squash, green beans and walnuts all fruits as well. Along with the fruit from a plant or tree, we can often eat the leaves (lettuce,) stems (celery,) roots (carrots,) and flowers (broccoli.) Many of these other parts of the plant are typically referred to as VEGETABLES. Now don't go looking for tomatoes next to the oranges in your grocery stores; fruits like tomatoes and green beans are usually (alas, incorrectly) referred to as "vegetables" in most grocery stores and cookbooks. tako da, odgovor je - zavisi sa koje strane prilazis pitanju:) i tako ces naci i po netu svuda, to je to, nemas unifikaciju. ako pitas botanicara, voce je, ako pitas karapandzu, povrce je. evo jos nesto na tu temu Any botanist worth his salt will tell you that watermelons are fruit, and believe it or not, they actually are placed in the “berry” subset of fruit. Here’s why: a fruit is any part of a plant that is the result of fertilization. That is, a flower bloomed, was pollinated and produced a fruit that contains seeds to produce more plants. Under that strict definition, even beans and cucumbers are fruit! Berries are any fruit that has one or more seeds and entirely edible flesh, with no core. Tomatoes, bananas and papaya are also technically berries. izgleda da je sve sto je plod - voce. povrce ispada da nije botanicarska kategorija, a voce jeste - tj, ono sto spada u povrce moze biti list, koren, stablo, kurac, palac, a voce mu dodje plod. ono, fruits of my labor - plodovi mog rada. e sad, mozda je to fazon sa engleskim, pa je kod njih voce nesto drugacije definisano nego kod nas, ali mi ne deluje tako, ipak oni dele na fruits i vegetables i imaju iste tripove sa lubenicama i paradajzevima. Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manager Posted July 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 ako pitam doolia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tOMABRE Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 Jebem li ga, meni je paradajz povrce, lubenica voce :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 endzi mendzi: pa ja sam kolokvijalni pajser, meni je povrce jer ga stavljam u pljeku na dafu. isto tako sam ucio da su lubenica i dinja povrce u osnovnoj, pa cu ih staviti u vocnu salatu, a ne u povrcnu i meni su one voce jer ih tako jedem. to je kulinarska specifikacija i ja se rukovodim njome jer sam ipak vise kulinar nego botanicar, kao uostalom i svi ljudi na svetu koji nisu botanicari. i u tome je trip sa tim kulinarskim akcijama - neki tamo kinezi ili ko vec, sto prave dzem od paradajza (regular dzem sto mazes na leba i sladak je), verovatno im je voce i krste se kad im neko kaze da je povrce. Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veljok Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 (edited) @tomaBRE Pa to je logicnije, a i lepse zvuci :)) Edited July 3, 2011 by Inferno_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 evo jos jedan trip, sa vikipedije, ali opet, ne zna se koliko je zvanican ili cija i kakva je ta nomenklatura, ali ovako nesto sam i ja ucio u skolama: Postoje mnoge zablude da je lubenica voće, jer se koristi najčešće kao poslastica i veoma je slatka. Jednostavno pravilo koje govori da se radi o povrću je to što se radi o plodu jednogodišnje biljke, što je pravilo povrća.[citat potreban] Svi plodovi koji se koriste kao hrana i koji se moraju saditi svake godine su povrće. Voće je plod višegodišnjih biljaka, koje se ne mora saditi svake godine. To je elementarna razlika između voća i povrća, uz činjenicu da je lubenica samo jedna vrsta tikve koja je u svakom slučaju povrće. Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 ja sam botaničar jer gajim biljke na gajbi (ne te biljke, komani) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 kolko sam ja shvatio iz sveg ovog ludila, povrce izgleda ne postoji u 'naukama', vec je sve to voce (ima semenke, tj predstavlja plod, a ne koren - npr luk). a taj plod moze biti gotivan za dezert i onda je voce, a ako je gotivan za has, onda je povrce ili oni imaju jednu rec za voce i plod, al onda opet ostaje trip sta je povrce ili jednostavno ne postoji nikakav standard:) Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 nisam znao za ovo sa jednogodišnje vs višegodišnje, niti sam učio u školi, ali zanimljiva definicija. Mada pre mislim da je to neki side-effect izveden iz opštijih definicija voća i povrća. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iguana Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 ja sam praktichan covek. jedino sto mene zanima kod paradajza jeste da je jestiv Quote It's nice to be good, but it's nothing compared to being bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tOMABRE Posted July 3, 2011 Report Share Posted July 3, 2011 (edited) @tomaBRE Pa to je logicnije, a i lepse zvuci :)) Hahahahahhah, dobro pa nije pravopis u pitanju :DDD Edited July 3, 2011 by toMaBRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rejvenn Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 ja sam praktichan covek. jedino sto mene zanima kod paradajza jeste da je jestiv što je u poslednje vreme jako teško naći, sve neki paradisovi od kilu bez ukusa i mirisa Quote someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fushi.ryuu Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Kakva rasistička rasprava... Svi smo mi jestivi! Quote .: l@w.: co-founder of kouteki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shekk Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 [citat potreban] Ako praviš podelu logično je da je praviš u modelu u kojem podela postoji, kako "povrće" ne postoji u botanici, podelu možeš da vršiš samo u kulinarstvu, problem? Quote jebote, smorio si sa kukanjem vise :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Brate, dobro je pa je kruko na odmoru, da ne vidi ovo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Ako praviš podelu logično je da je praviš u modelu u kojem podela postoji, kako "povrće" ne postoji u botanici, podelu možeš da vršiš samo u kulinarstvu, problem? ostaje nepoznato da li je trip samo u engleskom jeziku (fruit = plod, a kod nas voce nije jednako plod... ili jeste?:) ) Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shekk Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 pa lepo si gore napisao "povrće" ne postoji botanički, nebitno je onda za šta je "fruit" termin, jeste bilo koji plod, ali "povrće" nije ništa, kad pitaš jel paradajz voće ili povrće u botaničkom smislu to je kao da pitaš da li je paradajz lokomotiva ili odevni predmet - does not apply. Quote jebote, smorio si sa kukanjem vise :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 znam sta ti pricas sve vreme, al ono, otkud znam, mozda u nasoj botanici postoji voce i povrce, a u anglikanskoj ne mozda se voce i povrce ne prevodi kao fruts and vegetables strucno:) mozda su to neki razliciti pojmovi u nas i u nj. mislim, ne znam sto iz biologije ucimo onda o vocu i povrcu i tome da je lubenica povrce jer knori kad je uberes itd. Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipboy Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Lol, sad kad Dulio napisa ovo, setih se prokletog pudinga u Engleskoj :) Quote "You're the first of the official death squads to whom we've been formally introduced... How do you do?" "By my deeds I honour him, V8." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 do tell:) Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shekk Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Pa ako se naša klasifikacija biljaka utoliko razlikuje od anglikanske onda kul, sigurno je samo da je paradajz povrće, juče sam ga jeo, mogu da posvedočim!11 Edited July 4, 2011 by Shekk Quote jebote, smorio si sa kukanjem vise :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doolio Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 Pa ako se naša klasifikacija biljaka utoliko razlikuje od anglikanske ali ne znamo ni to!11 zakljucak je da nista ne znamo, tako da ako nas savata srpski botanicar sa nozekanjom i zahteva od nas da imenujemo paradajz, imamo fifti fifti sanse da prezivimo! Quote brate sto ti ne smuvas miu? realno 5 min da provede sa tobom bila bi ready za guraj-vadi. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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